Understanding the Resurrection

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5 Replies to “Understanding the Resurrection”

  1. Gee. That’s about as pretentious as our friend Jim’s idea that I have no right to learn the Lord’s Prayer because it can’t mean anything if I’m not Christian. Sometimes, although they’re no better themselves, I understand why atheists get so annoyed with religious people and their claims to special knowledge. ‘You don’t understand’ – Kyrie eleison.

    1. Steph, one of the most wonderful things about my new church is that we have an open communion table… all are welcome. Church, no church, non church, just come.

  2. Sounds like the progressive churches at home. I have several friends who are leaders of churches – here in the UK too – agnostic by definition, Christian by faith, and a-theistic in view of a humanly constructed biblical God idea. These leaders are honest to their congregations about history and context and spirituality. One of these friends, Clay, is a priest at St Matthews in the City in Auckland. He said to me ‘you probably like us because we’re not really religious at all’. That was before he knew me. His church claims to be inclusive, welcoming, compassionate and fearless. All are welcome no matter what their faith, denomination, sexual orientation or background.

    St Matthew-in-the-City’s Christmas ‘billboards’ feature Mary in bed with Joseph, and Mary blushing as she observes her pregnancy test stick. Their Easter billboards included a cartoon figure of Jesus on the cross with a word balloon lamenting “I bet they forget everything I said”. St Matt’s is a progressive Christian congregation affiliated with the Anglican Diocese of Auckland… it plays an important role in fighting for the marginalised and excluded in New Zealand and around the world [and that’s true with specific projects it undertakes]. It is committed to being an inclusive, articulating a spirituality… free of traditional Christian dogma… Our strategy is to ask questions, not give answers. Our dream is a world that is a little more just, a little more kind.

    It’s congregation is worldwide linked by their website etc, and their building, a beautiful neo-Gothic stone church, which is also a venue for community activities, concerts, and corporate and private events.

    However – my initial comment was inspired by Jim’s response to a suggestion by Rowan Williams that all children learn the Lord’s Prayer. I grew up knowing the Lord’s Prayer and various other things without ever believing in God. It was just part of my education and learning about religions and understanding and respecting the beliefs of people who believed differently from me. The claim by Jim that the prayer doesn’t belong to non Christians who therefore have no right learning it, seems similar to the suggestion that if we don’t understand the resurrection narratives as you do, we’ve got it wrong. I have great respect for the ABC. He is a man of great intellect, learning and culture. He has contributed much of positive value to British society and community relationships and I felt such petty criticism of him completely inane.

    1. You see I find this deeply moving. Jim wouldn’t appreciate that. On the other hand he might because its the ‘wrong’ flavour of Christianity and therefore wrong.

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