The Reformed are Catholic – Or, I hardly knew you Dr. Kirk!

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How dare anyone say…

First, there is the conservative expression of Reformed Theology that is spreading like wildfire these days. Conservative Calvinism has had a perennial challenge of honoring its traditions while maintaining its truly Protestant spirit of allowing the Bible, rather than traditions of men, to be the authoritative voice. In all, it is failing on this regard. To be Reformed in this world means, by and large, not to do what the Reformers did in going to the sources of both the Bible and those who have spoken about it, but instead saying what the Reformers said in their theological confessions.

In short, the Reformed Traditions has replaced the Roman Catholic Church as the magisterium in a system that defers to words of people, the word of the church, rather than the word of God.

Church, Culture, and the Word of God | Storied Theology.

You really need to read the post. I’ve got to say, that I cannot really disagree with him here, although I think that in many ways, most Christian doctrinal systems are the same way, or rather, the established systems. Maybe they need to get unsettled?

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5 Replies to “The Reformed are Catholic – Or, I hardly knew you Dr. Kirk!”

  1. ” You really need to read the post. I’ve got to say, that I cannot really disagree with him here, although I think that in many ways, most Christian doctrinal systems are the same way, or rather, the established systems. Maybe they need to get unsettled? ”

    I hope that someone will ‘ unsettle ‘ the doctrine of continued or extended Election/Predestination – beyond the church of Ephesus, even all first century churches.

    I wonder why they (the church of Ephesus) according to the epistle written them – were set/chosen before the foundation of the world – as the prime example to all future GENERATIONS/AGES of the exceeding richness of God’s grace towards sinners – IF election/predestination continued beyond them? (Ephesians 2:7)

    Seroled

      1. Hey Joel,

        The church of Ephesus in the main – seems to be set forth as the example to ALL future generations/ages of God’s exceeding grace and kindness in His choosing of both Jews and Gentiles ‘ to the praise of his glory ‘

        Of course all the first century churches and believers written and spoken of are elect – Matt 24:22- Col 3:12 – 1 Thess :1:4 – 2 Thess 2:13 – 1 Peter 1:1,2 – 2 John 1:1- Rev, etc etc.

        Honestly, i do not know if election/predestination ended with the first century churches/believers. However, the ends of the ages did come upon them (1 Cor 10:11).

        Can there be an infinite number of elect – a number that God does not know because of endless procreation? We live in the age without end ( Ephesians 3:21). Doesn’t Calvinism need a future consummation and a world where sin and evil is no longer present? Do the scriptures really teach such a physical world or an age to come?

        My or anyone else’s need, hope or desire to believe this cannot make it so – apart from scripture…

        1. Howdy Seroled,

          I think that Paul was being a bit hyperbolic, and more corporate in his understanding of election. While he was writing to specific churches, only those things which applied to those local congregations – and not over all Christian theology – should we understand as passed. And even in that, the proscriptions are passed. Note, for example, the proscription again incest and fornication to the Corinthians. This applied over all. So does the covenantal election of which Paul speaks about to the Ephesians.

          While the end of the ages has come, it has not been sufficiently extracted yet. We are in the new age, not the end of all ages just yet.

          Calvinism needs a lot of things, namely, more scriptural support 😉

          The Elect is the Church, not individuals. Just as individual Jews weren’t elect, but Israel was. All of Scripture is about covenant, but God doesn’t do so with one person, but with one family, and this time it is the body of His Son.

          1. ” Calvinism needs a lot of things, namely, more scriptural support ” 😉

            Joel you crack me up 😀

            Excellent points on the rest…

            Have a good night

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