Taking the time to answer

First, read here and then here. This is my response, since I wanted to take some time to answer Andrea who has been a wonderful person to discuss this with. I realize that some of my readers may differ with me on things from time to time, but we do not need to shout each other down, but merely open up avenues of discussion where by we may lead or be led to the correct way.

The first we tackle is from Exodus 32.30-35.

Now it came to pass on the next day that Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. So now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.” Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, “Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin–but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.” And the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book. Now therefore, go, lead the people to the place of which I have spoken to you. Behold, My Angel shall go before you. Nevertheless, in the day when I visit for punishment, I will visit punishment upon them for their sin.” So the LORD plagued the people because of what they did with the calf which Aaron made. (Exo 32:30-35 NKJV)

The following question is asked,

I was wondering it perhaps everyone starts out with their name in the Book of Life and then God blots out those who are never saved. It’s one of those things we can’t know for sure.

I have to disagree.

But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
(Rom 3:21-23 NKJV)

We know that the Exodus is a picture of the things to come under Christ. Moses had led the people up from the land of Egypt (sin) and through the Red Sea (baptism) on the way to the promised land (the new life). Yet, these people had come so far and turned then from God. We are all born unto and in sin, but through Christ we can be freed from this sin, and having our names written in the Book of Life, we are His; however, if we sin against God – Hebrews 6, 10 – then we are blotted out.

Further, read Isaiah 4.3

And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy–everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem.

And Daniel 12.1

“At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

It makes a distinction even among Israel for those who endured unto the end and were saved, found about the living, written in the book of life.

Finally, we turn to John’s Apocalypse,

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18-19 NKJV)

Although a reader my be certain that you can depart from God, and forsake Him without ever knowing Him, that certainty is proved false by

Thus says the LORD:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the LORD.  (Jer 17:5 NKJV)


O LORD, the hope of Israel,
All who forsake You shall be ashamed.
“Those who depart from Me
Shall be written in the earth,
Because they have forsaken the LORD,
The fountain of living waters.” (Jer 17:13 NKJV)

We have all forsaken the Lord in Adam. There exists a great wall between the Lord and us due to sin by which no man know God. In 1st Samuel 3.7, we find that Samuel did not know the Lord yet. In Isaiah 19.21, we read that in the Reign, even Egypt will come to know God. In Jeremiah 31.34, again looking to a future consummation, we read that we will not require teachers any longer to know the Lord.  In Hosea 2.20, we read of the Church and Christ, who when we (the Church Individual) are betrothed to Christ, we know Him. Again in Hosea 6.3, we read that if we follow on, we will know the Lord. We also see that purity/holiness is something that is required to comprehend or see the Lord. (Hebrews 12.14)

Skipping the commentor’s selection of Hebrews (which I am currently posting on) let’s move to John 2.19

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us, because if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they went out from us to demonstrate that all of them do not belong to us.  (1Jn 2:19 NET)

We know that John held firmly to the Body of Christ, seeking the Unity of that Body. Here, we find him speaking about those that had left the fellowship. Look what is actually said – they left without being sent to prove that they were not of the Apostles! This is a direct rebellion against God and His Church.

What about 1st Thessalonians 5.23-24?

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. (1Th 5:23-24 NKJV)

There is no issue that God wis faithful to His promises, but the question remains is do we have to be? Can we not be the unfaithful one? I believe that the answer is yes.

2nd Thessalonians 3.3 is along the same lines

But faithful is the Lord, who will establish you and will guard you from the evil one.  (2Th 3:3 CTV-NT)

We are eternally protected against the evil one, but that does mean that of our own free will, we can be puffed up and fall away, opening ourselves up to the evil one by jumping ship.

The rest of the verses are again, along the same lines. No one is accusing Christ of being unfaithful if someone becomes an apostate. If a husband cheats on his wife, is it the wife’s promises that are broken?

To answer Jeremiah 32.40, the Lord did not make the convenant with the individual but the Church, just He did not make it with individual Israelites, but the entire Nation.

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