“Bottom line, at the end of the day, we want our kids to be exposed to the best facts. Let’s teach them about the big bang theory, let’s teach them about evolution, let’s teach them — I’ve got no problem if a school board, a local school board, says we want to teach our kids about creationism, that people, some people, have these beliefs as well, let’s teach them about ‘intelligent design.’”
I know, right… I should call anyone stupid. I’m not, technically. I’m just saying that with all of his stupid actions, and his continued support of Creationism — which is not fact, nor logic, nor good theology — he is really helping his party along to finishing just behind the Green Party in 2016.
For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” (John 5.16-7, NASB)
There is no doubt in my mind that Young Earth Creationists are little more than deluded deitists. The proof, first and foremost of these gnostic heretics, is their denial of the ontological creative God. Guess what? Looks like Jesus would think Ham is bunk as well.
And course the on-the-run criminal in South Korea will simply say Jesus didn’t believe in God… but the reality is, is that the Jewish theology included an ongoing creation, an ongoing ordred existence. We can break this down, but the fact that Jesus affirms an ongoing creative God should destroy the YEC argument…
Also, John is following the Deuteronomy notion of Sabbath here… just saying.
Of course, they’ll employ the theory of motivated reasoning and come up with some garbage.
Also, as a note to Honey Tee Tee — regardless of the lie you tell, you will not comment on this blog until you have met the demands of this post. Once that is the case, I will allow you an actual blog post to express any view you want, without censoring. You can write as long and about whatever you want. I will post on right here. On my blog.
It bugs me when certain people pretend to know what they are talking about. For instance, Hambone suggests that the entirety of the Gospel is bound up in Augustine’s poor theology of original sin based on his bad translation. Further, he goes on to connect Christ as Creator to this terrible view, forgetting the whole of covenant theology found throughout Scripture.
This also goes back to the the deitistic view of Young Earth Creationists, where you have a trickster god creating only once. Therefore, God is no longer really a creator. He is more like a Creator-ed. Past tense. The Creeds affirm, however, God is still Creator. Science affirms God is still creating in a physical sense. Young Earth Creationism denies both the authority of the Creeds and Science, replacing it with their own magisterium and takes an unholy, unscriptural view of Creation.
This is where panentheists and those who read God’s co-equal book, Science, have a better appreciation, a fuller appreciation of what it means for God to be Creator in the physical sense. (I have to ignore Tony’s poor Trinitarian theology for the moment.) God is Creator first and always. Creator defines God’s existence as much as we can define an existence for God. Because God is Creator and still creating God is likewise Judge. Because God is Judge, God is likewise Savior. But all of this depends upon God still creating as Creator. Not as a past tense issue.
Tony’s notion that the entire Gospel is found in Genesis 3 is rather poor, as poor as his notion of Creation.. It betrays a proper understanding of Creation, Christ, and the Gospel, denying the full covenant that is Creation — each creation, every creation. That is what covenant is, after all, a creation. We have a new creation because of the new covenant with Christ. Christ has perfected the covenant with God. Because of the new covenant, there is a new creation.
In simple words, Scripture affirms a Covenant/Creation sense. The Creeds affirm God as Creator in the ontological sense. Science affirms ongoing creation in a physical sense. None of these things are affirmed by Young Earth Creationists.
So, I guess, in a very real way, those who understand covenant theology are the real Young Earth Creationists because, for us, Creation is only 2000 years old. Liberals, like Ken Ham and Tony B., are unscriptural old earth creationists. Tisk Tisk Tisk.
That kind of trickery is not exceptional, it’s typical. Creationist arguments are full of untruths, half-truths, and word games — and the arguments keep circulating no matter how many times the fallacies get exposed.
Scientists don’t know how to deal with that. The whole culture of science (going back to the 1600s) is based on arguing in good faith and assuming that your opponent is doing the same. A scientist who gets caught cheating is finished. There’s no rehabilitation process, you’re just done being a scientist. But dishonest creationist arguments live forever, and the people who invent them are not even embarrassed.
One cannot use good faith, the scientific method, logic, or reasoning in a discussion if the other side can only rely upon a circle of superstition, bad interpretation and fear — not fear that you may be right, but fear they may be wrong and if wrong, they lose their power structure.