Poor little Dick. He actually thinks that he knows what he is talking about. I was going to leave this alone but the sycophants panted loud enough. Dick demeans actual scientists who use actual theories to establish realistic hypotheses. And, he does so while misconstruing what they said.
Scientists prove Beowulf and the Iliad are true stories
Really, Dick? I thought someone interested in literature would know how to read better. But his idea that they are not real scientists is laughable. That’s like Hambone saying that an evolutionary biologist is not a real biologist. Just for fun, check out Dr. Kenna. Compare his bona fides with Dick’s. I’ll wait… Do I need to say any more about who is real and who is not?
I like this statement by Dick:
Facebook is a real network.
Not really, Dick. It is a social network, a neologism meaning a network only available in cyberspace. It is a fake network. Kenna and Carron describe social networks better, more scientific, than we. Stick with them. Thanks.
The tale appears to be a Nordic (and possibly Christian-influenced) adaptation of Virgil’s Aeneid.
Oh? See, this is the problem with thinking that everything is intertextually related to another. By the way, your little “seems to be” way out is noticeable.
There was probably indeed a Trojan War
Anyway, if I had the time to go through all of Dick’s impotence, I would. For instance, his “scientists need to learn logic.” Wow. Said the man who does mind-bending flips to get away from logical conclusions. And, really? The result is useless in application? Said the guy who, when experts says Bayes’ Theorem could not be used to discover a historical Jesus, and with no actual background in the area, suggested that it can? Also, it is a shame that he doesn’t understand Game Theory (No, Dick, I’m not talking about Super Mario Brothers) and how this relates. Like a young earth creationist who doesn’t understand evolution, Dick assumes through ignorance that there is not a connection
Instead, I want to discuss the paper, something Dick didn’t do in his initial post. I didn’t read all the comments, and have no need to – that’s right, I don’t do Dick’s blog. So, let’s discuss the paper. First, Kenna and his partner builds upon the previous research (see Kenna’s page) in statistical physics (really, really advanced Math, something Bayes attempts to be). Using universality, complexity (this is where Game Theory actually comes in – the organization of simple to complex groups. Duh.), and qualitative research, the researchers attempt to find “distinguishing quantitative features.”
Beginning with some semblance of literary criticism (monomyth), Kenna and Carron move into exploring the super-structure with the added individual components. This does not mean that the Anglo-Saxon poem made use of Homer, but that corporate memory as well as genographic theory helps to explain why we have a certain myth found in many cultures. (I mean, unless carrier is that fundamentalist and believed in Noah’s Ark.) What the individual components add is the touch of the real. For example, we have a myth of a returning king. We find this myth in England with King Arthur and even in South American with the white god. That is the imaginary, but the individuality provides something tangible. We would then begin to look not at the origin of the myth because we have already recognized that it is a monomyth, but at the origins of an ancient king.
Social networks are defined by the authors of the paper to be highly clustered but small groups (read complex systems). They establish a certain perimeter, that of the comic book universe. This is imaginary, and any social construction is recognized as artificial. This is, in my opinion, what has made Chris Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy so powerful, is that it removed the artificiality of the social networks (think of Alfred and Bruce’s evolving relationship).
They examine Beowulf, the Iliad, and the Tain. (By the way, Dick shows his “learning” by suggesting that Beowulf has Christian or Homeric origins). Beowulf has archaeological evidence to support a hidden structure, as does the Iliad. They start with an analysis of the characters and begin to build diagrams of relationships.
Page 3 provides a substantial, um, node. When you begin to remove the mythos, you are left with actual identifiable networks that exist outside the myth. That is important. What is important for Gospel criticism is the use of friendly v. hostile networks. Of the twelve+ disciples, only three really occupy a close network with Jesus, but that is for another time. Anyway, what is discovered is that their is an actual underlying network that exists without the myth attached to it, based on normative methods of describing social networks. How is this possible? Well, using actual science, they give you a few reasons why in their conclusions. First, social networks supply the structure of the story can are identifiable. However, they do not survive challenges if the story is completely fictional. Perhaps the most relevant to our other studies is the use of Tolkien, but again, wait for later. These challenged include known constants. Note, the researchers didn’t say that the myth was real, only that the networked society reflects what we find in society. This is based on the human characters of the stories.
You will have to read the paper to understand it, but that actually requires reading.
Dick proves that regardless of evidences, he will only accept his box, even if his box is judged poorly used by those who daily toy with the box, such as the scientists in the paper.
Poor little Dick.
sorry for the short Dick response, but I am busy editing and writing and the such. The paper is fantastic, but should have been placed better into Game Theory (complexity). Over all, though, it is understandable by lay readers, except for, it seems, Dick.