Not should we support Israel as a political ally, but are Christians called to support Israel in all things? And if so, can you prove it by Scripture?
Not should we support Israel as a political ally, but are Christians called to support Israel in all things? And if so, can you prove it by Scripture?
Although I could cite many Scriptures to defend my Zionist leaning theology and (in some part) eschatology, I am advanced enough in the faith to know that someone else could cite a whole range of antipoldal scriptures, with equal potency.
Therefore, when all said and done, it much of it boils down to an inner unction, or more specifically compulsion.
You are so going to make others look a little biased 🙂 I should be in England in January, Stuart. Maybe we can get a cup of coffee.
Would be an delight, you can always overnight with us if it helps dinner etc, just let me know.
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I agree. I do think that there are several different issues here, namely that Israel and the Jewish people are two separate things. While God is not done with Israel just yet, the government formed in 48 is not what God has in mind as 'Israel.'
Amen to that!
Well put. “Israel” involves a larger group than simply “the Jewish people,” something the New Testament writers (as well as other 2nd Temple period Jews) were fully aware of.
In addition, in the prophets, the emphasis is not put on unconditional support of Israel, but on seeking justice. Joshua 5 hits close to home on that point: “Are you on our side or our enemies?” “No.”
I believe Christians are unequivocally called to support Israel. The 'all things' part, not necessarily. As far as 'proving' it, not today =)
The question is do the scriptures support islam/jihad or christian self-loathing and self-destruction/suicide.
The fall of Israel is the prelude to the fall of Europe and christianity.
Rory, should we support Israel even when they harm Christians?
Hardly, Goy, as Europe – not that important compared to Christianity – and Christianity has existed long before the modern state of Israel.
Amen to that, Jason. I see nothing in Scripture where Christians are called to support Israel, either in portion or in the all. Further, our modern understanding both of Israel, Covenants, and the Church are often times diluted through the prism of politics and pop theology. It is as if no one has read the New Testament, but, I digress.
Christians are not subservient to Israel, politically or religiously.
I do tend to think that a good study on the “Parting of the Ways” would greatly add to this conversation.
“The question is do the scriptures support islam/jihad”
Of course they do. It's very clearly laid out in the Koran.
NOPE! support and pray for the Palestinians they are the ones in need.
NOPE!
Deception, pseudo-morals and ulterior motives concealing a hatred for the Jews that goes beyond the realm of political and christian theological discourse.
The desire for the destruction of Israel is nothing short of demands for a 2nd Holocaust the evil is tangible and drips off the cheerleaders.
Are you blind to the threat of islam or do you want to live in dhimmitude, do you want Turkey or HAMAS to be your master.
Satanic Verses
Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá
and Manāt, the third, the other?
These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.
Wow, Goy, what tripe.
So are you a muslim then or do you just want to live in dhimmitude?
No, Goy – are you a Christian? – I just don't subscribe to silly conspiracy theories, hatred, fear, or extremists views which only serve to harm the situation and destroy any real chance for dialogue
Are you claiming that jihad is a conspiracy theory that I made up?
The islamic dialogue is clear the destruction of israel and its jewish population.
If you accept the koran would it not be true that you would have to give it supremacy over the bible is this not where your confusion really is and why you can not see jihad as the evil it is?
Which has supremacy answer please!
Actually, I never said anything about the Quran – and not all Muslims call for the destruction of Israel. You are aware, I hope, that some Christians call for the destruction of this or that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all Christians call for that.
You previous comment was nothing but vitriolic ignorance.
Now, answer the question – are you a Christian?
I would like to think so but that is for others to judge.
Why can’t we stay on the topic “…are Christians called to support Israel in all things?” That is the question.
Even God doesn’t do that.
He allowed the Israelites to be defeated at Ai (Joshua 7) because they disobeyed Him.
He allowed the Israelites(united kingdom and Northern and Southern kingdoms) to be judged by various gentile nations because of their disobedience. (Judges/ Isaiah/Jeremiah/Ezekiel/Amos/Habbukkuk, etc., etc.)
Why are you arguing if some Muslims believe in jihad, or the destruction of Israel?
That has nothing to do with the question…
It is interesting that no one uses the New Testament to support total, unquestioning support for Israel.
What does Paul mean in Galatians 4:21-31 when he compares earthly Jerusalem to Hagar and the heavenly Jerusalem to Sarah? Verse 30 says “…”what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.””
Why should we use the New Testament when it doesn’t always tell us what we want to hear?