I saw this post this past week, found myself in general agreement and moved on:
To make matters a bit more complex the question was asked if there was a difference between Eusebius and other Arian teachers and, for example, newly converted Arian Christians among the Goths who did not know about the controversies taking place amongst the Nicene and Arian parties. Did their ignorance excuse heresy?
Equally, if heresy prevents salvation how does this fit into the concept of salvation by grace through faith in Christ? How much “knowledge” does someone have to obtain for their faith to be in the real Christ and therefore legitimate.
There is a lengthy, lengthy and I mean lengthy conversation there. Wb, answers here in a lengthy manner as well:
But I think to be saved, we need to believe that. If we don’t know the Bible, but believe that, we are saved. If we DO know the Bible but are wrong about that, we are NOT saved. If we believe that and know the Bible but have most doctrines wrong, we are still saved.
This is the way I see it (which I left as a comment on Brian’s page):
One must confess with the mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord in order to be saved (Romans 10, Acts 2), and yet, if they don’t grow towards doctrine in truth and grace, I don’t think that they will be saved (Hebrews 6).
I do not think that those who converted to Arianism remained saved once they denied Christ as God although it is possible that those baptized as Arians were saved and remained so if they grew to divine knowledge. I doubt the growth of those who cannot see the reality of the Son or those who believe in tritheism. (Eph. 2-4)
I do think that ignorance, for a time, excuses heresy. It is not a doctrine that saves, but the Grace of Christ. I think, however, that we are led into all truth, and if we reject that, then we abandon the hand of God. (John 16.13)
Concerning the Creeds – I’ll hold to the Apostles and accept the 1st Nicene, but that’s all you guys are getting from me.
Let me also add:
I think that the nature of God, and thus the Godhead is important, but the truth of the matter, for me, is that one must recognize that Christ is deity and human, but not to be saved. I think that we see in the New Testament a growth of doctrine and development
Then again, many have flirted with universalism from time to time. I further realize that I am not God, nor have I been appointed a Judge over you. In my opinion, I would rather work towards a common good and hopefully either lead you or be led by you into a fuller sense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ than to lose all contact with you and either be damned or see you as such.
Further, there is the matter of translation. See 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:1-2; 2 Cor 2:15.
I’ve got to say that sometimes, I wonder if Orthopraxy isn’t where we should focus our attention rather than Orthodoxy?