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  1. Know More Than I Should

    Perhaps it is operator error but, despite several attempts, I couldn’t open first link to Institute on Religion and Democracy. (Page not found.) I didn’t try to follow the other links.

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    1. Gary

      Same for me. Although I followed the other links. I think I am getting paranoid. Although I start getting suspicious when “Nazi” is used as an adjective. If even partially true, I think IRD ought to give seminars to the NSA and CIA on how to execute clandestine operations. This stuff is all new to me.

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      1. Gary

        Sorry, meant “Fascists”. Whatever.

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  2. Joel, I definitely respect your writing and opinion, but I know John and believe him to be a person of integrity. There are positions of the IRD that I take issue with, but I would take John at his word that what he says is what he actually believes. In this case he seems to have overstated things, but I don’t think his intention is to destroy the UMC.

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  3. Victor R. Chatham

    I pray that one leaves but as for me and my house we will remain committed United Methodist.

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  4. Gary

    After the link was fixed, I took a look at the IRD site. Very amusing. Reminds me of being in Junior High School, and Tattletales are in charge. I personally would be embarrassed to be a part of the tattletale organization. I’d say grow up, and mind your own beeswax, to state a junior high school axiom. In the meantime, I would simply not pay attention to anything that they post. I can live quite happily without their “news service”.

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  5. Joel, I have never been a big fan of the IRD either, even though I agree with most of what they are advocating for. Statements by people they hire tend to have a sort of outsiders ring to them, and sometimes sounds like talking points given to the writer by someone else. So I would rather listen to long-time established UM leaders. That said, your example of Bishop Jung doesn’t show anything except a bishop who says “I will work for unity.” “Wrestling with the issue honestly together” sure sounds nice, but we’ve been doing that for 40 years. Amy DeLong, on the other hand, makes the agenda of her side abundantly clear when she says: “The reality is that gay kids are growing up in the conservative branch, too… and when they come out, their church will tell them they need to leave,” she said. “A split means that somebody else has to fight this battle again 10 years down the road.” Does that strike anyone else as self-important and abusive? In other words, she is saying “we will not let you go until you all bend to our will, because we don’t trust you to raise your own children.”

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    1. James, as I wrote yesterday – I condemn Amy DeLong’s brand of forced views (fascism?).

      As far as Jung’s – that’s right. Which is why Lomperis’s statement is rather false and hyperbolic.

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