1. Have to partially disagree. Though I oppose the violence against civilians by both side, the violence is not practiced equally by both sides. Neither is the reporting on each side done equally. For example, Hamas offered to recognize Israel in spring of 2006 and 2008 and Israel ignored the offer. In addition, Hamas proposed a 10-year truce, a truce that was ignored by the media (see http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/deafening-silence-proposal.html).

    In addition, Hamas got its start when Israel rejected and opposed a secular Palestinian resistance movement.

    Finally, we don’t see Hamas laying siege and cutting off or steal land and economic resources from Israel, we do see that with Israel’s apartheid policies. Just as no country would tolerate the firing of missiles on its people, no people should tolerate permanent occupation by a hostile foreign power. If we are going to adequately address the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we have to void ourselves of all tribalistic urges to side with one group or the other. It is only then that we will be able to see what real justice requires from both sides.


    1. Curt, I wouldn’t consider myself tribalistic. I have no need to side with one group or the other and I know well the issues from both sides.

  2. Know More Than I Should

    I tend to agree with Mercutio: “A plague a’ both [their] houses!’ Ah, but then that’s already happening, isn’t it?


  3. Joel,
    But didn’t you write the following:

    “Further, there should not be a ceasefire until Hamas is gone from Gaza.”

    That isn’t taking a side?

    Finally, we are all at risk to fall for tribalism whether with this concern or others. Whenever we have a strong affinity for a group such as a nation, race, religion, denomination, ideology, or whatever, we risk falling for tribalism. It is something that we must watch out for.


    1. I did. It is a security issue. If Israel wasn’t secure borders, they should remove the force trying to ensure Israel’s defeat. That’s not taking a side, but stating a reality of geopolitics.

      For instance, if the United States wants to stop immigration, put up a bloody wall. That’s not taking a side, but stating a point.

      I have no doubt we are all at risk for tribalism, but that doesn’t mean everything is.


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