1. Bill Warrant

    The finest military in the world?? Yes, be proud of the rediculous amount of money you spend on war. Be proud of messing up wherever you send your troops. Be proud of the antagonism that you are creating in the rest of the world. I’m sorry Joel, but this I really cannot take. I’m sure they are all really nice guys, but they are part of something hideous.

    1. Polycarp

      Bill, do you think there is something wrong in being proud of the honest men and women who volunteer to serve their country? I am not talking about the morons who run it, but the people who join. I am pretty sure that the grunts on the ground aren’t responsible for the stupidty of the commanding officers, up to the president (especially the previous administration) who uses the military for a big stick. Look what is going on in Haiti – the military is being used to help which I would prefer.

      1. Bill Warrant

        I don’t want anybody to “serve their country”. I want them to serve the world.

        I don’t see why volunteering to risk your life for a bad cause is anything to be proud of. Would you also be proud of those brave boys and girls who sacrifice their lives with a bomb taped to their chest in Irak, Pakistan or Afghanistan, because they actually believe their cause is good. I’m sure you hate the comparison and will consider it misplaced, but what exactly is there to be proud of? Maybe they think they are doing good (just like the suicide bombers do) but they are not.

        1. Polycarp

          Bit different, Bill, bit different.

          Not everyone joins the military to kill – that is a presupposition.

          1. Polycarp

            Bill, let me simply say that I reject the previous administration’s use of the military and believe that the military should be defensive ONLY.

          2. Bill Warrant

            No, it is not my presupposition – I never said your kids join the military to kill. Nevertheless, they are having a negative effect on the world.

          3. Polycarp

            They are being used to create a negative effect. I hope – I hope – that this current administration will use them according to what they promised they would do.

          4. Bill Warrant

            Cutting the military by 50 % would be a good start.

            What exactly did this administration promise they would use them for?

          5. Polycarp

            I am unhappy with the troop escalation and the continued presence in Iraq – which I and many others thought would not happen.

            I believe that we should examine the military budget, and indeed, cut some back. We still have bases in Europe! No, I believe that the military needs to be defensive, not offensive, and we clearly have the latter at the moment. Further, I believe that diplomacy should be used first and foremost in issues around the globe.

          6. Bill Warrant

            Agreed!! Is this a first??? Joel, let me shake your hand and repeat: there actually is something we agree on!

          7. Polycarp

            Rationalism… it works

          8. Polycarp

            When it comes to international policy, etc… I would be a pragmatist, and had hoped that this President would be as well.

    1. Polycarp

      Define patriotism? Blind loyalty to a mythic enterprise? Very repulsive. To most, I am not patriot. I can live with that.


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