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February 25th, 2013

Ironic title about Tim Tebow and Westboro Baptist Church

Guess both really like Pepperdine:

On Monday, Pepperdine’s official Facebook and Twitter accounts announced quarterback Tim Tebow as the keynote speaker at the 2013 Pepperdine Associates Dinner.

“Each year we try to pick a speaker that we think will be a draw to our constituency and has something important to say,” wrote Keith Hinkle, senior vice president for Advancement and Public Affairs, in an email while out of town. “He’s found a way to win when many have said he couldn’t. We also wanted someone who could speak to faith, leadership and courage, which we believe Tim can do well.” (here)

Pepperdine was on the only schools in the area not to be protested by Westboro Baptist. So, Tim gets to the point — again — of speaking at a really Right congregation and stands down, is attacked by AFA and other Religious Right groups.

And goes to speak at Pepperdine.

Why?

I guess I have to wonder why Tim Tebow, besides being a football player who prays in public, is so qualified to give sermons or other presentations? Are we just about superstar Christianity?

Who would Jesus want to set at a fancy dinner and listen to?

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February 6th, 2013

Another Westboro Scion Leaves Her Church – Different one from this morning

If they keep this up, either the church will be empty or we can just wait until the old folks die off.

Her departure has hurt them already—she knew it would—yet there was no way she could stay. “My doubts started with a conversation I had with David Abitbol,” she says. Megan met David, an Israeli web developer who’s part of the team behind the blog Jewlicious, on Twitter. “I would ask him questions about Judaism, and he would ask me questions about church doctrine. One day, he asked a specific question about one of our signs—‘Death Penalty for Fags’—and I was arguing for the church’s position, that it was a Levitical punishment and as completely appropriate now as it was then. He said, ‘But Jesus said’—and I thought it was funny he was quoting Jesus—‘Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.’ And then he connected it to another member of the church who had done something that, according to the Old Testament, was also punishable by death. I realized that if the death penalty was instituted for any sin, you completely cut off the opportunity to repent. And that’s what Jesus was talking about.”

Damsel, Arise: A Westboro Scion Leaves Her Church — Reporter’s Notebook — Medium.

What’s great about this is that, first, those of who have left similar churches do not feel so alone when we describe our tears. Second, guess what folks… God doesn’t have to fit in that tiny box and when you find out he doesn’t, you can still believe in God.

I realize that people don’t like to be challenged, even though who are just as fundamentalist atheist as they were fundamentalist christian, but stories like these two must challenge us. You can still believe in God when you realize you have no clue about God.

February 6th, 2013

Yeah, I sorta know how Libby Phelps feels

I have to say sorta because I wasn’t in her shoes. We didn’t have enough guts to go an stand on the street corner and “share” our beliefs. Instead, we set in our pews and preached to each other about them:

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More sites are carrying her story as well. This is a great one here.

December 27th, 2012

Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group.

White House Petition set up on the 14th December, the same day as the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, has become the most popular petition of all time, and currently stands at 262,708 signatures.

The petition reads thus:

Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group.

This group has been recognized as a hate group by organizations, such as The Southern Poverty Law Center, and has repeatedly displayed the actions typical of hate groups.

Their actions have been directed at many groups, including homosexuals, military, Jewish people and even other Christians. They pose a threat to the welfare and treatment of others and will not improve without some form of imposed regulation.

I must admit, if I were an US citizen, I’d sign it…..

UPDATE: It appears that following the success of the above petition somebody thought it a great idea to create a similar one pertaining to the Catholic Church:

Officially recognize the Roman Catholic Church as a hate group.

In his annual Christmas address to the College of Cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI, the global leader of the Roman Catholic Church, demeaned and belittled homosexual people around the world. Using hateful language and discriminatory remarks, the Pope painted a portrait in which gay people are second-class global citizens. Pope Benedict said that gay people starting families are threatening to society, and that gay parents objectify and take away the dignity of children. The Pope also implied that gay families are sub-human, as they are not dignified in the eyes of God.

Upon these remarks, the Roman Catholic Church fits the definition of a hate group as defined by both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.

This has garnered a whopping 93 signatures…..

December 17th, 2012

Now, more than ever, I am thankful that I am mainline

The responses by Bryan Fischer and Mike Huckabee have once again reminded me the great gulf fixed between fundamentalism and mainline Christians. Do not mistake my words here as a rant against conservative Christians. I am a conservative Christian, but I am neither fundamentalist nor evangelical (at least in the American sense of the word). I am mainline. I am a United Methodist. I, instead, speak about the fundamentalists, those like Fischer and Huckabee — those like Westboro Baptist Church. Let me state clearly here as well something. There is little difference between the normative fundamentalist and Fred Phelps. Phelps just as the courage to say in public what so many pastors yesterday said in the comfort of their pulpits. 1

What was the first response you had to the tragedy? Was it to demonize the gays? Democrats? To call for the end times? Was it fear? Did you promulgate a false notion of history, as if violence suddenly increased in this country due to a Supreme Court ruling? Did you suggest it was because the rampant sin in society as if this sin is something germane to our social situation? Or did you begin to pray for the families of the victims, even for the shooters? Did you wonder what you could do to host a vigil, to send a prayer, to tweet something to the family, to hug your children?

If your first response was to assume the children in some way deserved it, that we as Americans deserve it, then you are nothing more than a follower of Fred Phelps.

If your first response, after the anger subsided just a bit, was to begin to call for prayers of comfort, you may be a follower of Jesus who refused to condemn the Gentiles who perished in the tower at Sidon.

Compare well the responses from the Westboro ilk and the mainline Christians:

The Roman Catholic Church issued a statement from Cardinal Dolan:

Once again we speak against the culture of violence infecting our country even as we prepare to welcome the Prince of Peace at Christmas. All of us are called to work for peace in our homes, our streets and our world, now more than ever.

The ECLA issued prayers of intercession:

For communities and schools affected by violence, especially Sandy Hook Elementary School. As they remember and as they grieve, hear their cries and wipe away their tears. Assure them of your promised peace in the midst of suffering.

The United Methodist Church in their respective districts issued words of care, while on Facebook issuing a prayer for all.

“Friends, in the midst of this tragedy draw closer to your loved ones, especially the children,” his letter said. “Reassure them of God’s love and your love. While we cannot undo this carnage, we can respond with the message of hope and healing that our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ offers to us all. Through the tears of a nation, remember the promise of the Psalmist: ‘Weeping endures for a night, but joy comes in the morning’ (Ps. 30:5).”

Recently, Dan Savage issued a plea for the Christian Left to get louder:

Here’s the thing – we who you would call liberal are too busy working – too busy praying – too busy doing God’s work for us that we do not have time to blast anyone. For example, these mainline churches in Newtown are already working to help the families in crisis. The UMC and other national groups are already working to provide backup to the churches in Newtown while still working in respond to Sandy, while still working in response to AIDs, immigration, labor, equality… while we are still working around the world. The reason you only hear from the right wing is because they aren’t work — they are too busy coming up with excuses and playing the blame game to work, to do real, meaningful work.

  1. Yes, even the folks at Answers in Genesis got involved - to sell their version of events
July 25th, 2012

Please donate to Westboro Baptist Church using this method

To the kind stranger – thank you…
Brilliant

July 1st, 2012

Thou Shalt Not Laugh at this Picture

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November 21st, 2011

Maybe we should just ignore Westboro Baptist Church?

Why? Because they are doing this stuff for money. Fame. I doubt their sincerity.

She has taken the church’s cause mainstream, kick-starting its social media presence (she has more than 7,000 Twitter followers) and appearing as a regular guest on “Afentra’s Big Fat Morning Buzz,” one of Kansas City’s edgiest and most popular morning radio shows. Her online musings have attracted the ire of celebrities, including actors Rainn Wilson and Michael Ian Black. As part of a group that measures success largely in the amount of publicity it is able to generate, she has helped propel the 40-member church to what might be the most visible stretch in its 56-year history. (here)

I suspect that in reality, they are little more than prosperity preachers who make money on false promises of destruction. They love the media attention because it brings in more money…

So maybe we shouldn’t blog on them anymore?

May 27th, 2011

Fred Phelps on Australia

This is the video of the story on 60 Minutes Australia where Fred Phelps, of Westboro Baptist, says he has a map of Australia that looks like a weenie. And that he hates Australia, and pretty much everything else in the world.

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April 23rd, 2011

Does Westboro’s behavior justify violence?

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I’ve been to Mississippi – I’ve lived in Summit for a year, have family in Rankin County – not everyone in Mississippi are Christians – even then, can we privately condone this action?

A couple of days before, one of them (Westboro protestors) ran his mouth at a Brandon gas station and got his arse waxed. Police were called and the beaten man could not give much of a description of who beat him. When they canvassed the station and spoke to the large crowd that had gathered around, no one seemed to remember anything about what had happened.

Rankin County handled this thing perfectly. There were many things that were put into place that most will never know about and at great expense to the county.

Most of the morons never made it out of their hotel parking lot. It seems that certain Rankin county pickup trucks were parked directly behind any car that had Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and the drivers mysteriously disappeared until after the funeral was over. Police were called but their wrecker service was running behind and it was going to be a few hours before they could tow the trucks so the Kansas plated cars could get out.

A few made it to the funeral but were ushered away to be questioned about a crime they might have possibly been involved in. Turns out, after a few hours of questioning, that they were not involved and they were allowed to go on about their business.

Fred Phelps, the disbarred lawyer and Democrat activist who leads the Westboro congregation, will undoubtedly pursue some form of legal action for the way his people were thwarted in Brandon. Let him try. There isn’t a jury in Mississippi which will see things his way.

This is a template for how to handle the Westboro people. If lawsuits don’t work, other means will. Whatever it takes to keep them from harassing bereaved military families on the day their fallen loved ones are laid to rest.

via Westboro Baptist Church Goes To Mississippi – And Loses.

via ht.

In my flesh, I laugh. A lot.

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April 9th, 2011

Good for Charleston and Billy Spade

A Fayette County man was acquitted Friday of battery charges for spitting on a member of the Westboro Baptist Church during a protest outside a Catholic church last year.

Billy Spade of Hico told the jurors that as the son of a deceased coal miner, he was offended by protesters holding signs that said “Thank God for dead coal miners.”

But it was the sign that said “Thank God for dead Marines” that sent him over the edge.

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The city court a quitted him.

This should show that WBC is nothing more than a scam, and that they are using Christianity – much like the prosperity preachers – to profit thereby.