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August 7th, 2011

Bill Leonard, before The Response – Will History Repeat itself?

A lot of good stuff here,

The citations reflect the politics and piety of America less as a “Christian nation” than as a Protestant one where religious minorities — Baptists, Quakers, Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims — were often merely “tolerated” by a governmentally advantaged Protestant majority. Colonial politicos themselves differed on the appropriateness of such proclamations.

Associated Baptist Press – Opinion: Responding to ‘The Response’.

As Christian points out, John Adams (I keep wanted to write Adama) regretted calling a national fast, in part because it allowed the Presbyterians to marginalize other sects,

It was connected with the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church, which I had no concern in. That assembly has allarmed and alienated Quakers, Anabaptists, Mennonists, Moravians, Swedenborgians,Methodivsts, Catholicks, protestant Episcopalians, Arians, Socinians, Armenians, &c, &c, &c, Atheists and Deists might be added.

Leonard, comes to an end,

Since many of “The Response” sponsors want government out of multiple aspects of American life, why not start here? A religious community that benefits from one governor’s invitation today is only one election away from being on the outside tomorrow. Governmental sponsorship of one kind of prayer is a bad precedent. In the end, perhaps there really are no Christian nations, only Christian people, bound to Christ not by citizenship but by faith.

I agree. But, there are listens to learn from history, and not just ours. Many of the groups and people associated with those on stage with Rick Perry had declared war on Mainliners, Catholics, and the old Guard, even you Baptists. Remember, the family trees of these groups, and those with whom they associate with.

Will we see history repeating itself?

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August 6th, 2011

The Response is the Worst thing to happen to American Christianity in a long time

Why? Because it has allowed the worse of American Christians, Joel’s Army and the New Apostolic Reformation, to have a national stage. But, beyond that, the individuals themselves have questionable beliefs. You know, like Tony Perkins and his ties to the KKK or Bryan Fischer. Further, their ‘prophetic statements’ among other things, have reached the level of outright heresy, lies, and attacks on Scripture. To be honest, there isn’t enough time in the day to go through the list of people who spoke and their abhorrent theologies. Or, perhaps, what they have said about other Christians, especially Catholics and Mainliners.

I find it funny that in Scripture, the only persons able to call a nation to prayer was a king… a fact that did not escape mention today:

While you are at it, read Rodney’s post…

NBC is reporting about 25,000 in attendance… in a stadium which should hold about 71,000.

If Texas Gov. Rick Perry runs for president, the type of crowd that attends a seven-hour prayer rally in a football stadium would not be disappointed.

Held in the venue where the Houston Texans play, more than 25,000 people here attended “The Response,” an event that was part prayer service, part Christian rock concert, and part marathon pep rally for Jesus Christ.

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June 5th, 2011

Responding to The Response – Is it about God or Politics?

Gov. Perry, Rodney’s idol, has launched a call for a gathering for prayer, in Houston, for the national crisis. (I’m not going to remind anyone that it seems that those calling for prayer are those who helped to cause the crises (as listed by Perry) because that would be overtly partisan and I don’t want to do that).

Perry, instead of governing (Eccl 9.10), has taken the time to issue this call and write,

Fellow Americans,

Right now, America is in crisis: we have been besieged by financial debt, terrorism , and a multitude of natural disasters. As a nation, we must come together and call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles, and thank Him for the blessings of freedom we so richly enjoy.

Some problems are beyond our power to solve, and according to the Book of Joel, Chapter 2, this historic hour demands a historic response. Therefore, on August 6, thousands will gather to pray for a historic breakthrough for our country and a renewed sense of moral purpose.

I sincerely hope you’ll join me in Houston on August 6th and take your place in Reliant Stadium with praying people asking God’s forgiveness, wisdom and provision for our state and nation. There is hope for America. It lies in heaven, and we will find it on our knees.

In looking at the leadership, it is filled with Republicans and the dominionists alike – such as the Student Leader from IHOP. You have lobbyists, political strategists and others, such as Jim Garlow who declared Glenn Beck an virtual prophet and leaders in Lou Engle‘s TheCall.

They have adopted the American Family Association’s Statement of Faith – just so you know if you belong or not.

I note he has now invited all Governors, but not the President? Umm…. Wonder why

The man is going to run for President and use the God Card. He is no Sarah Palin but he is obviously a dominionist. Lovely.

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