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And this, my friends is how “Christians” from @theird handle challenges

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The IRD has set its sights on Rachel Held Evans with several recent articles, namely this one. Oddly enough, a writer for the IRD is also a writer for the Gospel Coalition. Anyway, they aren’t taking too kindly to Evans’ take down of modern day Evangelicalism. Now that she has shown how a woman can do more than stay in the kitchen quietly, they are ramping up their minions to attack.

For example,

I posted a review of Honey BooBoo’s book on Amazon, and that provoked the Attack of the Killer Shrews. Wow, talk about LOYAL fans! If only people were that committed to Jesus of Nazareth! The comments all followed a pattern: “How dare you! Rachel loves Jesus! I love Jesus! Rachel is a woman of valor! You didn’t read the book! Rachel has opened up the Bible for millions of women!”

Never confuse “fame” with “greatness.”

In one post, her critics have all but accused her of promoting the destruction of a man’s property – his future’s wife virginity. I almost wrote vagina, but this is a family blog. The commenters on this post in particular show a complete ineptness of what Scripture says about sexuality. Of course, that won’t stop them, as they seem insist that a woman is less of a good thing if she has sex before marriage.

All of this is nothing more than a bunch of backward “evangelicals” missing the point, judging not on facts but only what they think they know, and generally doing a bang-up job of being the prime example of what it is not to be either a Christian or a real Evangelical.

The author of the most recent article on Evans concludes her statements with this,

Although Evans did not define “biblical womanhood” in any real sense, she showcased clearly her approach to scripture, which deviates dramatically from that of evangelical tradition….

Thank God it deviates… Of course, Evans has a habit of taking Scripture honestly and showing how the so-called “face value” or “plain sense” hermeneutic is quite funny in practice.

And…

It seems unlikely that most evangelicals, who have historically emphasized the authority of scripture, will follow her call to evolve into communities of questioning and doubt.

Authority is one thing – Evans engages the authority of Scripture like we all should. However, what the author really means is that Evans takes Scripture for what it is and where it came from and where it is today. She doesn’t rely upon the final interpretation motif common among Evangelicals today, but instead shows that if you stick Scripture on a pedestal, you are doing it wrong.

It is sad that Evangelicals will not take Evans’ advice and follow her at least partially out of the hindering mindset that is modern (American) Evangelicalism.

Christianity would be better served with more Evans and less Tool-ey clones.

HT to Rod for the pic.

I get it… @pastormark lives in a world where Scripture is soft porn, but do we have to respond to him?

First, Mark Driscoll complains about teaching about Esther… a woman whom he calls a whore, but delights in the fact that she allows the men to make the decisions in her life. Notice that this goes together, even in psychology. Anyway… Driscoll is reading Esther as badly as he does Song of Solomon and teaching others how to do it.

I’m beginning to think his teaching expertise is about as real as Davy-Tee’s “doctorate,” but I digress.

Driscoll removes Esther from her “time” and puts her into his frame of mind – that of an agnostic woman with loose morals who has one saving grace – submitting to every man who comes along and knowing how to please her husband.

This is sick, no doubt, and wrong.

Rachel Held Evans has since responded. Good, I guess, but I am beginning to tire of responding to Marky Mark’s funky bunch, at least directly. In speaking with “Lightning” Rod today, I suggested a method of response he has used in the past – to speak past the opponent in such a way as to answer their garbage. Such as… instead of linking to Mark or mentioning his name, posting positively.

A little mimeticly, if you will.

I am not denying Scripture’s use of human experiences, including sex and sexual situations hot enough to make a stripper blush, but the reason I suggest Driscoll sees it as soft porn because he sees it as a sexual release filled with sex for sex’s sake, and only for the male. No story line, just S & M sex. Driscoll sees only fantasy…

Nick calling someone a bully is really ironic

So to Doug Wilson I say: Bully for you! Way to stand your ground. You’ve been in the right all along and you’ve handled things like a scholar and a gentleman. And good for your girls. They were the picture of class. Those who think otherwise need to learn how to read way more gooder.

via Bully for You! | Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.

Nick Norelli, for some reason, loves the neo-Confederate, pro-slavery, anti-women Doug Wilson – going so far as to be a total @$$ to Rachel Held Evans.

A bully? She’s a bully? Oh come on… Did Nick even read the garbage that the Wilsons wrote?

So I guess Rachel and others should have just known their place, kept quite, and did nothing?

Or, when J. Wilson did apologize, Grace was brought forth, and that is condemned as well?

And what is “ladylike?” Yael? Would Nick condemn Yael as well?

Disgusting…

Let’s just call it what it is – rape

Rape, for the most part, is defined as the forced act of sex. There is also the idea of consent and proper consent. So, no date rapes or drunken orgies.

The Gospel Coalition is promoting Doug Wilson’s take on take,

When we quarrel with the way the world is, we find that the world has ways of getting back at us. In other words, however we try, the sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts.This is of course offensive to all egalitarians, and so our culture has rebelled against the concept of authority and submission in marriage. This means that we have sought to suppress the concepts of authority and submission as they relate to the marriage bed….True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity…

I wrote this post quickly last nightRachel Held Evans has responded to them as well. Scot McKnight has responded and so has Rodney. J.K. Gayle as responded as well.

How is that different than 50 Shades of Grey? Wilson, and the Gospel Coalition, is advocating that for a man to enjoy sex, he must be forcefully conquering the woman. For a woman to enjoy sex, she must be dominated. This is nothing more than a nice and clean version of rape. I do not mean to say that this is the violent rape or equal to it, but it is a psychological rape that forces the woman to have sex against her will. If rape is defined at the basic level as sex against one’s will, then what Wilson, the Gospel Coalition and others are supporting is flat out rape.

Read Rachel’s post.

Images of Masculine Christianity vs ‘Feminine?’ Christianity? @johnpiper @rachelheldevans

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I could post quotes from Pat Robertson all day, but this is the last one…

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All of that and more vs this:

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And, perhaps the best image of ‘feminine’ Christianity is from the Women of Liberia Mass Action which ended a bloody civil war…

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Leymah Gbowee and Comfort Freeman, presidents of two different Lutheran churches, organized the Women in Peacebuilding Network (WIPNET), and issued a statement of intent: “In the past we were silent, but after being killed, raped, dehumanized, and infected with diseases, and watching our children and families destroyed, war has taught us that the future lies in saying NO to violence and YES to peace! We will not relent until peace prevails.” [4]

Asatu Bah Kenneth, Assistant Minister for Administration and Public Safety of the Liberian Ministry of Justice,[5] was president of the Liberia Female Law Enforcement Association at the time. Inspired by the work of the Christian women’s peace initiative, she formed the Liberian Muslim Women’s Organization to work for peace.[6]

Together, Gbowee and Kenneth brought both groups together to form the Mass Action, a rare thing to happen in Liberia. Since they were brought together, relations have been less tense and more open between Christians and Muslims in Liberia, specifically Monrovia.

The Christian and Muslim women joined forces to create Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace. They wore white, to symbolize peace.

For her leadership, Leymah Gbowee has received international recognition, including the 2009 John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award[7] and the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize.

Peter Kirk responds to Anthony Bradley

First, the post here which is taking on the article by Anthony Bradley calling out Rachel Held Evans for her leadership in tackling Mark Driscoll‘s comments. Odd that Anthony had no issue in taking to the web to call out Evans, and raising the stakes just a little. He admits that he is wrong for calling Driscoll a bully, but is in general disagreement with Bradley on the other points. In a follow-up post, he takes the calling of Evans and thus those of us who followed her, slanderers. He’s correct, I believe.

I think that the idea of social media and Matthew 18, or Galatians 6, must be examined as it has given rise to the ability to speak and not be answered. It might be something for theo-bloggers/biblio-bloggers to examine in the coming weeks. The fact is, is that Driscoll removed himself from the normal Christian resource, I would counter. But, that discussion is for another day. Anyway, read Peter’s posts.

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Mark Driscoll’s sermon on the Song of Solomon

I am not a prude and I generally know how to read the Song of Solomon, but Mark takes it to a very ugly level. This is the sermon which was delivered to a congregation in Scotland and is similar to one which he is known for here in the States.

He begins,

If you would please, turn with me to the Song of Solomon. One of the great books of the Bible. Some have allegorized this book, and in so doing, they have destroyed it. They have destroyed it. They will say that it is an allegory between Jesus and his bride the church. Which if true, is weird. Because Jesus is having sex with me and puts his hand up my shirt. And that feels weird. I love Jesus, but not in that way.

Okay, so they have indeed put too much allegory in the interpretation, but I would still counter that Driscoll doesn’t get the book right himself, but like others have done, sees only the parts he wants to see. I think that the Song is a book meant to re-engineer society to allow women a greater role and not to make them sexually subservient to their husbands as a way of “winning them to Christ.” I could not imagine that conversation in the New Creation….

Due to the backlash which Driscoll received over his comments, he has said that the Elders of his church set him down and instructed him to stick to the issues better. Both Rachel Held Evans and Dr. Robert Cargill has responded. Dr. Cargill is correct – it is not an apology. (And contrary to Anthony Bradley, what happened the other day was not slander either.) I suspect that Driscoll will not actually apologize as to do so, especially since the movement was ignited by a woman, would be to make him appear weak. Further, his exposition of David is sorely lacking or perhaps we should carry forth David’s masculine behavior to where we marry our half-sister, have our warrior killed because we knocked up his wife because we slept in after staying home from war. Or maybe Solomon’s masculine behavior in having 1000 women at our beck and call. Well, you get the picture. But, in looking at Driscoll’s exposition of the Song of Solomon, it is no doubt that he misses the other parts of Scripture – the ‘all Scripture is…profitable for correction’ bit.

And for the men who read Driscoll’s sermon and believe that it’s okay to tell your wife that, using Scripture to make them sexually submissive, then don’t read this blog anymore.

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Dr. Robert R. Cargill, ’nuff said @pastormark #manlymen

Yesterday, led by Rachel Held Evans, Twitter, Facebook, and the Blogosphere erupted over the continued statements by Mark Driscoll. manI realize that y of my readers may like him, but while his doctrine may be what we enjoy, his statements on various things (and Rachel has a list) should not be tolerated.

But, you’ve read all of our reactions. Now, read this:

a study in masculinity: comparing michael irvin and mark driscoll « XKV8R: The Official Blog of Dr. Robert R. Cargill.

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Confession: @PastorMark, I collected beanie babies.

I also cry when my friends die like Jesus did, and at the movie Beaches which if Christ would see it, I’m pretty sure His eyes would well up too. I mean, He weeped over Jerusalem as a mother. I don’t push around my wife, but try to treat her as an equal and honor her as my wife, not as property or some second class vessel. I don’t ridicule gay and lesbians, well, maybe Robert, but it’s not really ridicule so much as my campaign to straighten him out. Yes, when I was younger, next to my toy guns, Star Trek ships, and other manly figurines, I collected Beanie Babies. As a matter of fact, the pride of my collection is the Princess Diana beanie babies, 2nd generation. Recently, during the Royal Wedding, I watched it with my daughter. I hunt with my son (which generally involves, at this moment, shoot a paper target and the occasional stray cat with a bb-gun).

But, at least I’m not a worship leader, right?

Rachel Held Evans has started what is about to be the internet sensation because of this status:

Although, to be honest, my good friend Christian brought it up first.

Anyway, she quotes another blogger, Tyler Clark, who writes, “When you put out a call on Facebook for people verbally attack ‘effeminate anatomically male’ men, I find myself back in high school—shoved against a locker, with the bullies calling me a faggot.”

But, you know, I cannot help but to think of the Apostle Paul who saw meekness and gentleness, when in a time where those things were not considered manly, something of Christ:

Now I, Paul, appeal to you with the gentleness and kindness of Christ–though I realize you think I am timid in person and bold only when I write from far away. (2nd Cor 10.1)

Maybe it’s me, but my anger is not at Mark Driscoll, or the elders of Mars Hill, but at our society which has for a very long time confused manhood with macho bravado. I remember a dear old lady somewhere in my past telling me that a man is not a man because he is 18, married, or the such, but when he accepts his own responsibility. It wasn’t about others things for her, a pastor’s wife who has long since received her rest, but responsibility. I’ve sort of lived by that credo myself. Our society confuses manhood with sex, violence and age.

Don’t be angry at Mark, be angry with ourselves.

Pray for Mark; pray for ourselves.

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On Truthful Pastors

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Maybe you are a pastor who has never experienced doubt, or questioned anything about what you are teaching. Maybe you have never grown weary in the job… I mean, Moses grew weary, Paul questioned and yes, even Christ experienced a little fear about what was really going on…

Rachel Held Evans posted this sometime last week, I think, and thought that I might direct your attention yonder way…

Dear Pastors,

Tell us the truth.

Tell us the truth when you don’t know the answers to our questions, and your humility will set the example as we seek them out together.

Tell us the truth about your doubts, and we will feel safe sharing our own.

Tell us the truth when you get tired, when the yoke grows too heavy and the hill too steep to climb, and we will learn to carry one another’s burdens because we started with yours.

Read the rest here:

Rachel Held Evans | Dear Pastors – Tell Us the Truth.

Also, she is trying to raise money for World Vision with a few auctions.

I don’t think that the congregation actually understands what pastors go through… but, I hope that you are treating your pastor with Grace.

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