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August 7th, 2010

More on Prop 8 – Distinguishing Christian and Civil Weddings

I would completely agree with Brian LePort here -

As a Christian I see nothing wrong with going to the courthouse or city hall to do a civil ceremony prior to going to the church for a ceremony/sacrament before God and the people of God. The civil is for the benefits given by our nation to married people. The religious is for the commitment vowed between a man and his wife, God, and fellow believers.

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The church has not been called to save society. We are to be an alternative society.

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Distinguishing Christian and Civil Weddings | Near Emmaus.

August 6th, 2010

Question of the Day: The Overturning of Prop 8

Has the recent court decision which overturned Prop 8 destroyed your marriage? And if not, how do you keep your marriage alive and well?

August 4th, 2010

Prop 8 Overturned – A Democracy or a Republic?

It has been reported:

A federal judge in San Francisco decided today that gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry, striking down Proposition 8, the voter approved ballot measure that banned same-sex unions.

U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker said Proposition 8, passed by voters in November 2008, violated the federal constitutional rights of gays and lesbians to marry the partners of their choice. His ruling is expected to be appealed to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then up to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The California Democracy is not what this country was about – it is a Republic. We have a representative government for a reason – in that the majority should never dictate the rights of others. Don’t make this about the issue of gay rights, but about the law and how pure democracy is affecting these Republic of ours. There are differing opinions (here, here, here, here and here) of course.

I am reminded that a majority deciding the rights of others was something that the Founding Fathers feared. They wanted to establish a Rule of Law where the Law decided the rights, not elections.

“Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths…”,

“We may define a republic to be … a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic.” James Madison, Federalist No. 10, (1787)

Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations; but, on a candid examination of history, we shall find that turbulence, violence, and abuse of power, by the majority trampling on the rights of the minority, have produced factions and commotions, which, in republics, have, more frequently than any other cause, produced despotism. If we go over the whole history of ancient and modern republics, we shall find their destruction to have generally resulted from those causes. – Speech at the Virginia Convention to ratify the Federal Constitution

“If it be admitted that a man possessing absolute power may misuse that power by wronging his adversaries, why should not a majority be liable to the same reproach? Men do not change their characters by uniting with one another; nor does their patience in the presence of obstacles increase with their strength. For my own part, I cannot believe it; the power to do everything, which I should refuse to one of my equals, I will never grant to any number of them.” Alexis de Tocqueville, “Tyranny of the Majority,” Chapter XV, Book 1, Democracy in America

If we are to be a nation of Laws, in which above all political whims, the Law will prevail, then we must start somewhere. Be mindful then, that if the minority so depraved of liberty become the majority, then what shall they do to those who once denied liberty. We have an equal protection clause of Rights. Let the Rule of Law then defend the rights of you and me, regardless if I find the behavior of choice sinful and disgusting or so many find my behavior as such.

By the way, the Judge was a Republican appointee..

February 10th, 2010

Christian Leader says let the Gays be Gay, Worry about your own soul

This is one of the most sensible press releases which I have seen on the Christian Newswire (anyone can pay 75 bucks to submit one)

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May 26th, 2009

Calif. court upholds gay-marriage ban

The California Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, but also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.

The announcement of the decision caused outcry among a sea of demonstrators who had gathered in front of the San Francisco courthouse. Holding signs and many waving rainbow flags, they chanted, “Shame on you.” Many people also held hands in a chain around an intersection in an act of protest.

The 6-1 decision written by Chief Justice Ron George rejected an argument from gay-rights activists that the ban, Proposition 8, revised the California constitution’s equal protection clause to such a dramatic degree that it first needed the Legislature’s approval.

Whether or not you find the idea of a majority of people taking away the civil rights of the minority of people somewhat distasteful if not down right unAmerican, the fact is is that the California Constitution allows for a wider ranger od democratic freedoms, one of which is the idea of direct government participation by the citizens of the State. They legally voted, and that vote, which is somewhat essential to American politics, was upheld.

April 16th, 2009

The Baptist's Civil War – Albert Mohler on Rick Warren's Judas moment

The Baptists are stirring -

April 14, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Rev. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, said he was stunned by Rev. Rick Warren’s apparent about-face on homosexual “marriage,” after the famous California mega-church pastor claimed last week on Larry King that he was not a proponent of California’s Proposition 8.

Rev. Albert MohlereRev. Mohler told the Washington Times, “I was extremely troubled by the way he [Rich Warren] appeared to be so anxious to distance himself from the same-sex issue and to make clear he was not an ‘activist’ and that he’d only addressed the issue in a very minor way.”

Rev. Warren told CNN’s Larry King on April 6 that he “never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never once even gave an endorsement” of Proposition 8, which said that marriage in the state could only be between one man and one woman.

However, Warren had in fact issued a videotaped message two weeks before the November 4, 2008 Prop. 8 vote, which was an explicit endorsement of the marriage amendment.

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April 8th, 2009

Just how truthful is Rick Warren on Gay Marriage?

Here is the partial transcript:

RICK WARREN: In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay-marriage activist. I never have been, never will be. During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never—never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the—the vote, somebody in my church said, ‘Pastor Rick, what—what do you think about this?’ And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is—really should be defined, that that definition should be—say between a man and a woman.

And then all of a sudden out of it, they made me, you know, something that I really wasn’t. And I actually—there were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends—the leaders that I knew—and actually apologized to them. That never got out . . . .

Not a single criticism came from any gay leader who knows me and knows that for years we’ve been working together on AIDS issues and all these other things.

LARRY KING: All right. Do you, therefore, criticize or not comment on the Iowa court decision to permit gay marriage?

WARREN: Yes. I’m—I’m totally oblivious to—to what—that’s not even my agenda. My agenda is two things. One, today is the 15th anniversary of the genocide in Rwanda. It’s a national day of mourning, which I—as you know, I’ve been heavily involved in—in Rwanda and helping rebuild that nation and I’m very concerned about that.

And the second thing is, I’m interested in what the recession is doing to the spiritual climate of our nation. And as we start Easter week and Passover week, which is a really big week for those of us who are Jews or Christians, Passover and Easter, it’s our biggest week of the year. And it actually was the—the week that I started Saddleback Church 30 years ago this Easter Sunday. . . .

KING. One other thing in the gay issue, while you said you were not an activist at all . . . did you not encourage your flock to vote yes on Proposition 8?

WARREN: Oh, yes. You know, I don’t think that the definition of marriage should be changed.

KING: So you did ask your people who worship with you to vote that way?

WARREN: Yes. I just never campaigned. . . .

KING: It’s not high on your road of issues?

WARREN: No, no, it’s very low. In fact, I am working with a number of gay organizations on issues that we care about, in saving lives.

But here is the problem:

February 3rd, 2009

Californica Secretary of State releases Prop 8 donors list; LDS calls $189,000 'chump change'

Debra Bowen, the Secretary of State for California has made available the list of those that supported the Prop 8 campaign that would eliminate same-sex marriage in that state. Seems the LDS folks are doing their best to dismiss their $189,000 as ‘small.’ Got love mixing politics and religion. Personally, I think that $189 grand would have best been served first buying proper theology books and throwing away the BoM or perhaps feeding the poor to set the example.

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January 24th, 2009

Tom Hanks apologizes for criticizing Mormons over Prop 8

Tom Hanks is rethinking his comments about Mormons who supported Proposition 8, People.com reported Thursday.

Last week he spoke out about the religious group’s involvement in passing the California law, which bans same-sex marriage. Referring to the group’s financial support of the law, Hanks said, “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them.”

Kim Farah, speaking for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, told Fox News, “Expressing an opinion in a free and democratic society is as American as it gets.”

Now Hanks says, “Everyone has a right to vote their conscience—nothing could be more American. … No one should use ‘un-American’ lightly.”

Tom Hanks apologizes for criticizing Mormons — chicagotribune.com.

December 16th, 2008

The Debate: The Bible and Gay Marriage

Last week, Newsweek’s cover story on the biblical case for gay marriage resonated on TV stations, throughout the blogosphere, and in the inboxes of many NEWSWEEK employees as Christians and nonbelievers alike sounded off on the editorial decision to run the story. Of the tens of thousands of letters we received, some argued that the Bible clearly proscribes homosexuality, while others applauded author Lisa Miller’s argument on such a controversial subject. But many expressed a desire for a deeper exploration of the subject—a conversation among biblical scholars on both sides of the divide.

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December 10th, 2008

Christian Group Outraged Over Viral Video

Christian Group Outraged Over Viral Video

A Christian group is demanding an apology after prominent Hollywood actors released a viral video spoofing Christians who voted for California’s Proposition 8—a state amendment passed last month defining marriage between a man and a woman.

In “Prop 8: The Musical,” actor Jack Black plays Jesus, who mockingly asks how Christians can believe portions of the Bible stating homosexuality is a sin yet not obey laws in scripture regarding shell-fish or selling their daughters into slavery. The short musical suggests that Christians “pick and choose” which commandments they will follow and should choose to only follow laws of “love.”

“Well, then friend, it seems to me you pick and choose,” sings Black’s character. “Well, please choose, love instead of hate.”

The 3-minute video, written by Hairspray director Marc Shaiman, who has claimed that “God made [me] gay,” amassed millions of views since it’s release last Thursday at funnyordie.com.

But makers of the musical satire mock Christians, defame Christ and distort the Bible, according to Gary Cass, chairman and CEO of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission.

“Jack Black should remember from his days at Hebrew School that homosexual acts aren’t funny and are roundly condemned in the Bible,” Cass said. “Appearing as a sarcastic, rotund Christ, Black distorts the Bible and condones shameful, homosexual acts.”

Cass’s organization is asking for an apology from Black for misrepresenting Christ and the Bible.

“Associating Christ with perverse activity is an affront to all people of faith, especially Christians. Apparently Black and company find it hilarious to falsely accuse Christians while they intentionally distort the Bible,” Cass said. “Black ought to apologize.”—Felicia Mann

See Prop 8: The Musical here.

Christian Group Outraged Over Viral Video.