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July 13th, 2011

Catholic Church in Austria to become Methodist

Or at least it would seem… They have issued a Call to Disobedience which has as its points:

  • to pray for Church reform at every liturgy, since “in the presence of God there is freedom of speech”
  • not to deny the Holy Eucharist to “believers of good will,” including non-Catholic Christians and those who have remarried outside the Church
  • to avoid offering Mass more than once on Sundays and holy days and to avoid making use of visiting priests–instead holding a “self-designed” Liturgy of the Word
  • to describe such a Liturgy of the Word with the distribution of Holy Communion as a “priestless Eucharistic celebration”; “thus we fulfill the Sunday obligation in a time of priest shortage”
  • to “ignore” canonical norms that restrict the preaching of the homily to clergy
  • to oppose parish mergers, insisting instead that each parish have its own individual leader, “whether man or woman”
  • to “use every opportunity to speak out openly in favor of the admission of the married and of women to the priesthood”

HT – Fr Stephen’s Blog.

Open Communion, won’t close a parish even if one member is the only member, and the such?

Yup, Methodist.

I suspect, in all seriousness, that this is due to a cult of personality around a singular priest with a history of disobedience:

The new initiative’s web site is registered in the name of Father Hans Bensdorp, until 2010 the parish priest of the Church of the Rosary in Hetzendorf in the Archdiocese of Vienna. A YouTube video, uploaded in 2009, shows an excerpt from the Mass commemorating the 35th anniversary of Father Bensdorp’s priestly ordination, according to the video’s description. Tensions between the papacy and segments of the Church in Austria are not novel, as witnessed by the advent of Josephinism in the 18th centry, the fin-de-siècle Los von Rom (Free from Rome) movement, and disagreements between the Vatican and Vienna Cardinal Theodor Innitzer in the face of the Nazi Anschluss.

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June 24th, 2011

What Does Pawlenty’s Protestantism say about Catholicism?

Tim Pawlenty speaking, Dec 29, 2007

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I am not, period, commenting on the politics of Pawlenty, but as he is a big name at the moment, I wanted to use his testimony, to look towards that issue of switching denominations. The article seems to postulate that Pawlenty switched his religious denomination to align with the GOP base. I don’t think that’s really the case.

Anyway, so Pawlenty grew up Catholic and became Protestant through a bible study. Here’s the deal – Protestants switch Catholicism due to the same reason. While I am not switching (at which Jeremy would interject ‘yet’) to Rome, it is through the study of Scripture which moved me away from my fundamentalist roots. Anyway, Pawlenty comments,

Mary, writes Pawlenty, “was a student of the Bible. I thought it was so amazing that she could recall so many passages so well and could apply them readily to life’s circumstances.” He was “intrigued” by her ability to “say ‘Just a minute’ while flipping through her Bible. Moments later she’d say, ‘Here’s a passage that might be instructive’ and put the Bible in my hand.” Mary’s example demonstrated to him for the first time “the dynamic relevance of Scripture to my life,” and he wanted more of it. And so, without rancor or protest, Pawlenty left the Catholic Church and became a member of Wooddale.

That’s the thing – I know Catholics with the same ability. It intrigues me to watch those who have come from Rome did so for this or that reasoning, generally related to the ‘love of Scripture’. Yet, as Jeremy Lott (former Protestant, now Catholic) comments,

One does not have to agree with Pawlenty’s decision to understand the motivation behind it. In a sense, it’s a back-handed affirmation of an important truth the Catholic Church bids us believe. According to the Catechism, Scripture and Tradition form a “single deposit of faith.” So why are so few lay Catholics serious students of Scripture? Why is it that, if you want to find Catholics who know Malachi from Maccabees, the best bet is to look either for theologians or former Protestant converts?

In my opinion, Pawlenty didn’t live up to what was in the Catachism and then judged Rome by his own ineptness – which is common among ex-Catholics. And the same for ex-Protestants. I find it pretty funny to sit and listen to both sides, using the same language, about each other. By the way, this is one of the reasons I like the Methodist Church – because they emphasize all the things Catholics do – Scripture, Tradition, Reason, Experience, but without the hierarchy. Anyway…

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June 21st, 2011

Abraham declares Wesleyan Theology Dead

Stripped image of John Wesley

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In a comment today, John Poirier notes something which Abraham had said. I found this article similar to the report, which begins:

Wesleyan theology is dead. Up from the ashes comes a different, historical way of looking at John Wesley.

In speaking with Rodney this evening, I noted the conversation and that I had found the article. Interesting enough, we were discussing whether or not what he mean was more in line with the dearth of Wesleyan Theologians. It seems, in my opinion, that Wesleyan theologians are more Barth than Wesley. The article goes on to state:

…Wesleyan theology has grown into more of a personal doctrine than a church doctrine, he said.

“There are as many John Wesleys as there are students of Wesley,” Abraham said.

Abraham said he thinks the broadening and personalizing of Wesleyan theology has ultimately led to its death within the Methodist church.

“We have used Wesley to our own ends and projected into Wesley what we have loved in life,” Abraham said.

Not yet reading anything else, I get the sense that Abraham is instead railing against the misuse of Wesley. Anyway, thought I’d share.

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June 4th, 2011

John Wesley on why Christianity fails

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From one of his sermons:

Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? Why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered? Jeremiah 8:22

1. This question, as here proposed by the Prophet, relates only to a particular people, — the children of Israel. But I would here consider it in a general sense, with relation to all mankind. I would seriously inquire, Why has Christianity done so little good in the world? Is it not the balm, the outward means, which the great Physician has given to men, to restore their spiritual health? Why then is it not restored? You say, Because of the deep and universal corruption of human nature. Most true; but here is the very difficulty. Was it not intended, by our all-wise and almighty Creator, to be the remedy for that corruption? A universal remedy, for a universal evil? But it has not answered this intention it never did; it does not answer it at this day. The disease still remains in its full strength: Wickedness of every kind; vice, inward and outward, in all its forms, still overspreads the face of the earth.

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But why is it that so little advantage is derived from it to the Christian world? Are Christians any better than other men? Are they better than Mahometans or Heathens? To say the truth, it is well if they are not worse; worse than either Mahometans or Heathens. In many respects they are abundantly worse; but then they are not properly Christians. The generality of these, though they hear the Christian name, do not know what Christianity is.

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Now, whatever doctrine is preached, where there is not discipline, it cannot have its full effect upon the hearers.

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To bring the matter closer still. Is not scriptural Christianity preached and generally known among the people commonly called Methodists? Impartial persons allow it is. And have they not Christian discipline too, in all the essential branches of it, regularly and constantly exercised? Let those who think any essential part of it is wanting, point it out, and it shall not be wanting long. Why then are not these altogether Christians, who have both Christian doctrine and Christian discipline? Why is not the spiritual health of the people called Methodists recovered?

Read the entire sermon. For Wesley, it is about Christian discipline and doctrine, which seemed to be found only in the Methodists… Surely he is not saying what I think he is saying…

Anyway, but what he is really saying is that many Christians, the world over, do not allow Christianity to work because while they bear the name, they are ignorant of anything actually Christian. I don’t know if he was correct then, but I contend that he is assuredly correct today. Medicine is only useful if you use it properly. Having it on the shelf will allow the sore to fester. To use it incorrectly may lead to something much worse.

Preach it Brother John!

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November 17th, 2010

In the Mail: The Sound of (Methodist) Music….

Thanks to Michael at the University of Illinois press,

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From the product description:

Providing new insight into the Wesley family, the fundamental importance of music in the development of Methodism, and the history of art music in Britain, Music and the Wesleys examines more than 150 years of a rich music-making tradition in England. John Wesley and his brother Charles, founders of the Methodist movement, considered music to be a vital part of religion, while Charles’s sons Charles and Samuel and grandson Samuel Sebastian were among the most important English composers of their time. Exploring British concert life, sacred music forms, and hymnology, the contributors analyze the political, cultural, and social history of the Wesleys’ enormous influence on English culture and religious practices. Contributors are Stephen Banfield, Jonathan Barry, Martin V. Clarke, Sally Drage, Peter S. Forsaith, Peter Holman, Peter Horton, Robin A. Leaver, Alyson McLamore, Geoffrey C. Moore, John Nightingale, Philip Olleson, Nicholas Temperley, J. R. Watson, Anne Bagnall Yardley, and Carlton R. Young. Nicholas Temperley is professor emeritus of musicology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the author of The Music of the English Parish Church and other works. Stephen Banfield is Stanley Hugh Badock Professor of Music at the University of Bristol. His books include Sensibility and English Song: Critical Studies of the Early Twentieth Century.

August 23rd, 2010

Erasmus of Arcadia, John Wesley and Apostolic Succession

A few Sunday’s ago, we were talking about the importance (to some) of Apostolic Succession, who one wondered how Methodism got around the notion of Apostolic Succession. For those unfamiliar with the term, it is the Catholic/Orthodox belief that they can be traced back through ordinations of bishops to the Apostles themselves. Now, to some, this important and a hallmark of the Church (the Creed gives for points of the church, one of them being Apostolic). Of course, the term has come to mean something differently than it once did, encompassing not just historic congregations, but the entire faith. Anyway, the apocryphal story of Apostolic Succession and John Wesley, and hence Methodism, goes like this:

(Erasmus of Arcadia) apparently visited London in 1763 during a time when John Wesley faced a dilemma. It seems Anglican bishops wouldn’t ordain Methodist preachers, yet more and more people were coming for Communion. Wesley refused to allow unordained lay preachers to consecrate Communion, but people wanted to receive the Sacrament from them anyway. I guess getting all the new Methodists into Anglican parishes wasn’t as easy as Wesley thought it would be. So when Erasmus visited, we know that he ordained some of Wesley’s preachers (which Wesley scholar William Abraham called “bizarre in the extreme”), and by some accounts, he ordained Wesley a bishop. (here)

Interesting, if you are into that sort of thing…