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March 19th, 2012

In the Mail: The Wonder of the Universe: Hints of God in Our Fine-Tuned World

Wonder of the Universe Giberson

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This looks to be a fine volume. Get it!

Like detectives sleuthing out the greatest mystery of all, scientists over the centuries have uncovered clues about the structure and origins of the universe. The work of Galileo, Newton, Einstein, and a host of other tenacious researchers and thinkers reveals a cosmos of almost unimaginable wonder and beauty.

If we then honestly follow the evidence of science wherever it leads, where do we end up?

Karl Giberson takes us on a fascinating guided tour of planets and protons, galaxies and gamma rays. We discover that if gravity were slightly stronger, neutrons a tiny bit lighter, the size of our sun somewhat larger or a dozen other factors altered by fractions, there would be no life.

The author shows that for many observers, even those who do not embrace religious faith, all of this looks suspiciously like the expression of a grand plan–a cosmic architecture capable of both supporting life such as ours, and inspiring observers like us to seek out hints of a creator.

Join this cosmic expedition and discover the wonder of it all.

March 7th, 2012

Karl Giberson, Ph.D: Rebuilding the Evangelical Mind Requires Courage

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Can you tell that I’m getting a lot from this book? The connection of philosophy and theology – and thinking, actual critical thinking – is important to reclaim. Anyway, Pate writes something similar to what Karl Giberson has been saying:

American fundamentalism during the first half of the twentieth century tried vociferously to assert Jesus’ deity in the face of liberal theology’s reductionistic claims. But the way fundamentalists retreated from academic debate to their arcane prophecy conferences left the uneasy impression that they exalted Jesus’ deity (the one) over Jesus’ humanity (the many). In good Platonic fashion, Christianity, the world of ideas, had no contact with the tangible world of the shadows. (123)

Ain’t that the truth? They simply cannot deal with the many issues which are presented to us, in our faith, and so they retreat and become reactionary. I will go further, and say that they simply stop thinking, but start fashioning feeble walls to preserve themselves from facts and from the need to critical think, to philosophize, through these tough problems.

Giberson writes,

The eclipse of Christian thought in the 20th century can be partially attributed to evangelicals themselves, insofar as many individuals and institutions clung to some of the more problematic tenets of “Fundamentalism” (originally a term of honor), which had defined itself against “Modernism” in American Protestantism’s epic conflict that played out in the early 20th century, culminating in the Scopes “monkey” trial in 1925.

via Karl Giberson, Ph.D: Rebuilding the Evangelical Mind Requires Courage.

Fundamentalism is not about thinking. It is about protecting. They no longer actually believe in Scripture, but only in their interpretations of Scripture.

February 16th, 2012

Is Tony Breeden Anti-Semitic?

whereunicornspeeIt certainly seems so. I mean, I’ve met him in person and he isn’t a dullard in the intelligence department… but then he writes this in response to Karl Giberson:

You see, when we ask, “Were you there?”, creationists are not claiming that we cannot determine the past unless we are eyewitnesses. Granted, we do point out that the further we go back in time, the less certainty we may have. Rather the point of “Were you there?” is to underscore the fact that we do have an Eyewitness account. This Eyewitness is God Himself who authored the Scriptures, which never came by the will of men (including the pre-scientific but nonetheless true history in Genesis). Unfortunately, this Creator (who never lies) testifies that the world did not come about by purely uniform, natural processes, a fact of the Text which Giberson chooses to ignore. He’s ignoring God’s testimony as irrelevant because modern scientists who’ve chained scientific inquiry to pure naturalism have concocted an all-natural Just-so story to replace the historical Creation account in Genesis.

The ‘Were you there’ is a stupid argument. Why? Because they are still assuming that unless the historical narrative of Genesis 1 matches up to modern Western ideas of history and other accounts, then it is wrong. Further, he is still assuming that Genesis 1 is about the physical creation. So to ask if someone was there is to dismiss the actual Scripture.  What Tony and others are doing is to take their account and their understanding, nay, their necessity of having Scripture read like they and not ancient Hebrews wrote it, and applying it to Scripture.

So, Tony, were you there? Are you an ancient Hebrew writing the hymn, sitting in Babylon, during exile, keeping the identity of your people alive? Were you there, in God’s mind, as he inspired Scripture so that you directed him was to what to inspired, and to the original authors as to tell them, which they would not have understood whatsoever, what to say? Were you there, Tony? What? No? They how about give the ancient authors there due and try not to tell them that what they wrote doesn’t mean anything unless it meets the high quality of the Western white guy.

Now, we can actually examine the passage in context because we have other writings by other authors who were actually there, but that might actually prove Tony and others wrong…

November 3rd, 2011

Scott McKnight reviews Giberson’s Annointed

Scott McKnight is reviewing Karl Giberson’s latest work directed in part against Ken Ham and his liberal associates. McKnight writes of Ham,

Ken Ham, with no scientific credentials, no credentials in biblical scholarship, no evidence, and no research program, has become the front person, the spokesman for a large segment of evangelicalism. He proves nothing, he asserts what he finds to be truth and tells a story to make it so. He is a charismatic speaker on a mission and has become for many the authority on the evil of evolution and the dishonesty of modern science. Ken Ham and his organization Answers in Genesis have become “powerful shapers of popular opinion in America’s vast evangelical subculture.” (Annointed? … Evangelicals and Authority 1 (RJS) | Jesus Creed.)

This is something that others have noted before. With no actual background to speak of, with no real foundation, Ken Ham has attracted a large following who have surrendered to him their responsibility of examining the evidences presented by those with actual academic training. Why? Personally, I believe it is because it is in our human nature to believe the more complicated lie than to discover for ourselves the easier truth. Ham paints a rosey picture of a God who is the divine trickster, a Hebrew Loki, if you will, who creates countless evidences of an old earth and then demands that we stop using the very Reason he gave us to interpret the date to the only possible conclusion. Ham would have us believe in unicorns and dragons, but not God navigating natural laws – especially since He is the Lawmaker.

It is a powerful psychological force which draws people to believe Ham.

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October 1st, 2011

More discrediting of Ken Ham

I missed this while I was out this week, but I wanted to post two links to two different posts on questioning Ken Ham. We know that he takes things out of context, attacks fellow believers, and of course, has a radical liberal agenda to replace the authority of Scripture with his own science, but some are asking ‘why is his audience so large?’ After all, in 2004 , 40% of Americans believed in Creationism, and today, it goes from 44% to 47%. The radical liberal agenda is actually winning! And I think we see that, that as we turn away from the God of Reason and Scriptural Authority, our country has greatly suffered. Karl Giberson writes, in part,

Nowhere is this more true than in the strange preference that evangelicals have for the discredited young-earth creationism of Ken Ham over the legitimate and well-founded science of Francis Collins. The ideas promoted by Ham are so obsolete that some of them were actually abandoned by the scientific community in the 18th century! Ham’s confident assertions that the earth is a few thousand years old and that there was a time in the history of our planet when humans co-existed with all other species had been abandoned by science when Darwin was a toddler.

In our new book, The Anointed: Evangelical Truth in a Scientific Age, historian Randall Stephens and I show how charismatic, media-savvy evangelical leaders like Ken Ham (natural science), James Dobson (social science), David Barton (history), and Tim LaHaye (biblical studies) lead their fellow Christians astray by convincing them to accept discredited ideas. (here)

So, why are people choosing to accept Ham’s discredited science over verifiable science by another Christian? I believe that it is because Ham uses the message of ‘destruction of biblical authority’, or perhaps the forbidding to evaluate and acknowledge reason – fear. He teaches that unless you buy* into his belief system, then the bible is going to be destroyed. He doesn’t allow questioning that is contrary to his concept either, and refuses investigation, not just of real science but of theological studies as well. Note John Walton‘s recent work, in which he ignores science, and goes to the heart of the matter, what Genesis One actually meant. Yet, Ham and the other liberals (I say liberals because they are trying to bend the Text to their own needs) ignore this and battle on to impose upon Scripture something that wasn’t there in the first place. It is a false, not just wrong, interpretation of the Biblical Text. But, it is an interpretation that people reading today can easily accept by ignoring other biblical precepts, such as studying and “What did I say to your ancestors?” Reading the words off the paper does not protect Scriptural Authority, and neither does it make good sense, especially in Genesis One. But, it is the simplest way to read the Text, because it makes the reader the ‘knowledgeable’ one, and allows them a seat of superiority over those who ‘needed man’s interpretation’, i.e., those who’ve studied the Text in historical context.

Biologos has responded to Ham’s repeated mischaracterizations of that organization, calmly. This is the way that Ham operates, not by investigation, but by attack. I would suggest, that if Mr. Ham was half the scholar he claims to be, he would seek just a little more investigation and leave the attacking to someone else. Who knows, maybe he would really find the Answer he is looking for.

Also, read Jim’s view here. He goes into a pretty good rebuttal of Ham’s attempt to discredit about Christian. For some reason, the verse about not blaspheming the work of the Spirit comes to mind. Just saying…

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September 12th, 2011

Sunday School: Language of Science and Faith, Faith and Evolution

I found this quote, from the introduction, to be soundly interesting -

Contrary to widespread misunderstanding and confident assertions y the various anti-evolutionists, evolution is a scientific theory that makes no direct statements about religion. It may have religious implications, as many have noted, but these require a certain theological or biblical point of view to make sense. Evolution per se makes no specific statements about God.

It doesn’t really. What it does do is to challenge specific theological formulations but, even in that, it still makes no direct statements against them. It is we who declare a division and a war.

Anyway – what do you think?

Does evolution really make statements directly against religion or God? And if so, please provide them.

August 22nd, 2011

Dr. Mohler, there really isn’t a fire there

Jason has linked to an article by Dr. Mohler which purports that their is a controversy about the existence of Adam and Eve. There is no controversy, expect when the liberals, i.e., ‘literalists’, deem it necessary to speak about the authority of Scripture and impose upon the ancient authors their own viewpoints.

Giberson then wrote: “The Bible is not a book. It is a library — dozens of very different books bound together. The assumption that identifying one part as fiction undermines the factual character of another part is ludicrous. It would be like going into an actual physical library and saying ‘Well, if all these books about Harry Potter are fictional, then how do I know these other books about Abraham Lincoln are factual? How can Lincoln be real if Potter is not?’ And then ‘Aha! I have got you! So much for your library.’”

That is an amazing and deeply troubling paragraph. Giberson uses the metaphor of the Bible as a library of books — a metaphor popularized by emergent church author Brian McLaren. But Giberson then goes where many others lack the courage and candor to go — he is ready to identify part of the Bible as “fiction.” In his words, “The assumption that identifying one part as fiction undermines the factual character of another part is ludicrous.”

What can his argument mean but that Adam is to be understood as like Harry Potter, a fictional character, while Jesus is like Abraham Lincoln, an historical figure who really existed?

It is a library and no one can expect to find all the books alike. It was written over a millenia or more, but lots of different authors, using different languages and sitting in different situations. Ruth contradicts Ezra. Eccl contradicts all of the Bible. Mohler is heating up an argument that doesn’t need to be. Further, Giberson has a moronic moment in using the word fiction, considering that that concept really don’t come into being until recently, relatively, and cannot be applied to any particular book, passage, or the such of the bible because even in the parables, it was not modern fiction. And as far as McLaren making the term popular, it is only because it would have gotten it from the Thompson-Chain Reference bibles which I grew up with, which included in the middle section notes on how the ‘Bible’ is a library.

Oddly enough, the Greek words which we have corrupted to mean ‘bible’ means ‘the books’ and refers to the plural books, i.e., IT IS NOT A SINGULAR BOOK, of the Scriptures. Paul, when he refers to the writings of the Jews always has it a plural. What do you call a set of books by different authors? Oh, a Library… that’s right… a library. We, who are inept in theology and history, have chosen to call it a ‘bible’, singular, when it doesn’t even refer to itself as that. Ironically, that’s why I try to call the holy writings by the plural form, usually Scriptures, because ‘bible’ is as foreign term to it. So, I reckon, if you are a liberal, you can continue to call it ‘Book.’

Jason is correct, however, in stating that there is a thematic element to the library. I would urge anyone to read The Great Code or N.T. Wright about narrative themes. And his link to his own posts about identifying the themes of the bible. Personally, I find great value in identifying those themes and they are indeed a blessing.

By the way, please don’t take this an attack on Dr. Mohler. Dr. Mohler is a man of God who deeply loves the Church, but I think he is wrong on this issue.

P.S…. there is no physical evidence that Adam and Eve existed, except in an extremely, authority-denying, reading of the Text.

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August 16th, 2011

Quote of the Day: Karl Giberson

The Bible is not a book. It is a library — dozens of very different books bound together. The assumption that identifying one part as fiction undermines the factual character of another part is ludicrous. It would be like going into an actual physical library and saying “Well, if all these books about Harry Potter are fictional, then how do I know these other books about Abraham Lincoln are factual? How can Lincoln be real if Potter is not?” And then “Aha! I have got you! So much for your library.”

Karl Giberson, Ph.D: The Bible Is a Library, Not a Book.

Great article. Give it a read.

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June 9th, 2011

Karl Giberson on Optional Facts for Christians

This kind of critical thinking about sources and expertise is essential in navigating the complexity of our modern scientific world and developing sensible and defensible positions on everything from the age of the earth to the real cost of Medicare.

Unfortunately, America has an uneasy relationship with experts. Many people don’t like the idea of consulting some egghead at a university to get scoop on complex problems, even though that egghead might be the world’s leading expert and hold a position endorsed by the National Academy of Sciences. Every night on Fox News Glenn Beck assaults expertise and education as if they are just different prejudices. He regularly pits his high school diploma against teams of Ivy League doctorates in a most amazing performance as America’s leading anti-intellectual. A few hours later on Fox News, Sean Hannity hosts a “great American panel” in which he asks former beauty queens, football coaches, and country singers to comment on complex political and economic questions.

Karl Giberson, Ph.D: Is Accepting Evolution ‘Optional’ For Christians?.

Karl is a funny guy – who knew?

Buy he is correct, I fear, about Americans. We simply do not like experts or the dreaded ‘i’ word – intellectuals….

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May 3rd, 2011

Review: The Language of Science and Faith

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In this book, the authors, Francis S. Collins and Karl W. Giberson, lay the foundation for Biologos and the scientific worldview based in Scripture while remaining well within the scientific community. This book is, at times, a little professorial, but for the most part, it is an easy read for either the lay-scientist or the lay-theologian. Frankly, it is one which should be examined as a middle ground in the current ‘war’ between science and a faith of a few, which is built upon an extremely literal reading (usually of a translation) of Genesis 1.

They begin chapter one by discussing the views (often erroneous) of Darwin. This view of Darwin and Darwinism is something which they must change, mainly due to our normal appetites of taking in only what is spoon fed to us, regardless of historical accuracy. Their goal in the introduction is not to make Darwin likable, but to explain first and foremost that the terminology most often applied, Darwinism, is outdated at best, and a purposed distortion at worst. Indeed, both YEC and Evolutionists use Darwin and it’s cognates to describe what is best seen as evolution. What is interesting is the way in which evolution has changed since Darwin. While Chick (Jack T.) would have us believe that Darwin is not only the basis, but the sole source of evolutionary thought, the authors are able to briefly, and with lay terminology, show how science has advanced far past Darwin, evolving you might say, to where we are today. So much so, that to continue to label evolution as Darwinism is patently false. Part of this advancement is due to Christian scientists, such as Mendel, who have furthered science while holding on to their faith in God. On this note, let me add that in this brief introduction they mention the word most often feared by scientists, atheists and Mainliners – GOD. (For scientists, they use ‘God talk’ an awfully lot.) It is not forced, and neither is the use of God as second hand thought. With the ground laid, they move on in the first chapter to discussing key terms.

In the second chapter of this book, Can We Really Know the Earth is Billions of Years Old?, the authors explore the process by which the scientific community has come to date not only the age of the universe, but so too the planet earth. And, for my benefit, they use simplistic laymen’s terms, while for your benefit, they do not blatantly attack or engage in name calling the YEC. They simply show that through various independent methods, the age of the universe, that of 13 billion years old, is proved time and time again. You’ll have to read the book to find out about measuring light, reversals and the such, as they are able to break down the mountain called science into pebbles for our understanding. And their question on page 68 is correct – unless God has spent time creating false facts, lies (my word), then we can only assume that the universe and the earth is as old as science has revealed. The last part of the chapter deals with ancient Christian interpreters and how they suggested dealing with the bible and science. They use Origen, Augustine, and as they do in subsequent chapters, Aquinas. This is important, especially in their assertion that neither the bible nor Christian Tradition requires us believe in a 6000 year old earth. Further,in their time line, they note that hardcore Young Earth Creationism comes to us in present form from the 1960s. Interesting enough, they even quote from The Fundamentals as examples of conservative Christians not requiring a detain interpretation if Genesis 1.

In the third chapter, How Do We Relate Science and Religion, they try to correct the myth that Science and Religion are at war with one another! Wait, you mean that they aren’t? They quote Augustine and Aquinas – who, in my opinion, is a central figure in exploring the role of science and theology – to show that Christian theologians have valued science. This is true, whether or not fundamentalists – believers or non-believers – want to be historical about the whole thing. One of the issues which we have today is the lack of historical context. How many of us actually study history, quantifying data, examining and exploring the field? Instead, we simply settle for one book on the subject. If we do the latter, which more often than not is the preferred choice, then we are going to fall into the same trap that science and religion are perpetual enemies where only one can survive.

The fourth chapter, Can Scientific and Scriptural Truth Be Reconciled, may be a difficult one for some to grasp. You have to get what they are saying, what they are calling you, the reader, to grasp about truth and Truth. There are truths which are subjective, moral and ethical truths, and the such are difficult to prove but nevertheless are easily assumed by people, groups, without question. They give several examples, but I am not going to copy and paste. You’ll just have to buy the book. The fact is, is that truth in our known universe is under attack, especially by forces of postmodernity, and yet these scientists, and indeed according to the authors, most scientists, reject the idea that truth is localize or somehow only for momentary purposes. Now, I know that this will trouble some of you, in that we are taught to believe that scientists see truth as relative. But such an approach is opposite of what a scientist has to do. This very belief in truth, in order, is what underlies both religion and science. This is important as they go on to explore the orderliness of the universe (109).

They move on to discuss the (mis)use of the Bible as a scientific text. They note that we are violent to the text, my words here, when we assume that the ancient writers are abiding by our modern rules. They write, ‘We must allow them to be authentic members of their own time and then make the effort to understand what that means.’ (107) This bit of insight is invaluable when we examine storytelling in Scripture, or the use of other sources as Luke did. As a matter of fact, it is an invaluable lesson when we examine much of history, even of the secular variety.

The fifth chapter tackles the theology of the ‘image of God’ and in a way which might threaten several atonement dogmas. Tough, I know, but so is the fact that many of us have created the image of God which we desire to see instead of finding ourselves being transformed by God. We are hesitant, when something might prove us wrong, to accept that the new fact, even to accept it as plausible, because for us, that disproves God – when in fact, all it proves if we were to accept this new information is that we remain humble enough to accept the fact that we simply do not have the mental capacity to always, and in every way, fully explain God. This is a tough chapter because it will force you – it should, you know – to come to terms with how evil is presented by your own personal doctrine of the Creation. What these authors have done is to unite theology and science, to allow science to answer the difficult question which plagues us – Why Does God Allow Evil? – and in such a way in which free will and God’s sovereignty is maintained. Unlike some, these authors do not see God as abandoning Creation, but instead actively maintaining, guiding it, and following the same natural laws which He forces us too – and yet, even in these natural laws, we find freedom to control. So – how do you explain the presence of evil, the origin and allowance thereof, in your theistic response to the natural world?

Some of these arguments are difficult – not to difficult to understand even if you read it – read it a few times, as it is called reading for a reason – but I am not about to try to write them down, merely regurgitating their thoughts. You’ll have to buy the book, but let me turn briefly to page 138. In it, they mention that nature has freedom, a freedom God allows but maintains natural laws. We can understand this politically, right? Freedom comes when laws are maintained. Here, to explain the great evils of humanity, such as the holocaust, the authors turn to those same laws, these dancing electrons (read the book as this portion of it is extremely fascinating) which is the epitome of free will, to explain how nature has developed evil – how we use our Life to develop evil. It is about choice, mostly. For me, I have to wonder then – maybe they will, maybe they won’t get to it – but to the extent at which God has foreseen the future, such as the future in which Christ would be needed to begin the New Creation. Even at this point, they offer some solid statements, but if free will is so easily allowed, what about the needed events which bring about certain events in the history of the Divine and its creation, humanity? For the issue of God and time – something I would like to see explored more is the issue of God as a quantum observer in a sort of quantum superposition with humanity – see p144-149, and especially 145.

Chapter 6 deals with the controversy which surrounded and still surrounds Darwin’s theories while chapter 7 deals with something which I find uniquely interesting – the ability for this universe to support life. What is interesting is the history of the reaction to science, especially in this country. It wasn’t really until the 1960′s that we found the extreme reaction to evolution that we see today. As the authors show, even the pioneers of Fundamentalism (this is something that I struggle with – separating fundamentalists from the early Fundamentalism, especially on this topic). The authors, though, know their history – and they are able to show that like other events in American history, the rise of YE-Creationism needs to be examined as a-historically as possible. You see, even before Darwin, there were extreme scientific introspections, even among Christians, as to the dating of the earth and thus the interpretation of Genesis 1. There was also freedom in this arena, unlike what we see now. The response to Darwin’s theory was over all, muted. There were religious leaders which support Darwin’s theory, even against the theology of the Fall. As the authors explain it, evolution presents a bottom up picture of life, where as some Christian theology presents a steady rate of decay. (p152) Here, I have to wonder how entropy might play into theological speculations. Also, I have to wonder how evolution might play into the theology of progression… We see this progression of God’s interaction with humanity throughout the Text until Christ. The relationship grows, matures, and is renewed. Further, we are told that we are progressing towards the realized New Creation.

Again, let me stress that the authors are not riding down hard on Young Earth Creationism. They are mindful to present the sides factually correct. But, they are also hard pressed not to call YE-Creationists (and later IDs) out on their inconsistencies, pitfalls, and problems. They are also not shy about their history, as I stated early. See the documented reaction to Darwin on 156-157 as well as their interpolation into our story of another fruit from 7th Day Adventism. For those who remember, it was the Adventists who gave the world King James Onlyism. They have also given the world much of the theological support behind the ‘science’ of YE-Creationism (compare Warfield, the Baptist, and White’s reactions to science (158 – 160)).

After much of this history, they move on to tackle several of the pseudo-scientific claims against evolution, such as the often misapplied second law of thermodynamics. They end this chapter by discussing the scientific origins of Life, to which they admit that no one can provide an insightful answer to just yet. I think we need to understand, in this debate, first what life is and second how unusual it is, how fragile it is.

It is chapter seven in which they discuss with exciting detail just how unique the conditions of life are in this universe. I say this universe because as those who have read Dawkins knows that he advocates a multi-verse. What is important is that, as the authors show, each theory against the uniqueness of this universe needs more evidences to support it. Further, as our authors state, rather explicitly, a scientist needs objective data. The multi-verse does not meet these requirements (p189).

These natural laws which make it possible to support life supports the idea of a fine tuning of these laws, and thus a fine tuner. It is important that you take this chapter as equally theological. They note how unsettling these laws are to naturalists and the such – and I can see that – especially with the detail which they provide. There is no reason why Life should exist, why the planets should exist, why anything should exist as it does in this universe of ours – except that it does.Everything has to be magnificently perfect.

What are we to make of Life itself? Our authors, and others, call it the grand narrative (p198) and truly it is. It is the tale of how evolution points us towards life, and the unique characteristics which all life shares. It is about consciousness, and indeed conscience, but it is about the fact that from the very ‘in the beginning’ to the last ‘and it was good’, Life has been the focus of the universe. In the previous chapter, the issue of fine tuning was dealt with; in this chapter, the authors examine Gould’s (201-202) and Conway Morris’ (202-204)theories on the role in which Life occupies. The former sees it as a random chance, while the latter sees Life – our life – as the predetermined course which the universe had to follow. To provide a reason for this is the theologian and the philosopher’s task, but to provide the systematic examination and order of this process is the scientists’ task. As they note, once you stand outside the process, their is a certain trajectory which is inexplicably noticeable (p199).  They give the example of the eye, which has developed at last seven noticeable times. They take this example and use it as a ‘full frontal assault on the standard picture of evolution as a random and meandering path to nowhere.’ (p204). This ‘favored pathway’ of Morris’ thought should be explored by scientists, and they are being explored, but understood by the theologian as the telos of the universe. If there is a telos (purpose) and a logos (the foundational order) to the universe, then to the open mind, we have pointers to a very plausible God.

The telos of this book is indeed to bring the logos to a believer’s understanding of the role of Science and Faith, and that indeed, they are no archenemies, and neither should they be so separate that they are only joined in opposition. What are we to make of a book which doesn’t disparage believers  but takes its time to develop an overall natural theology in which God is not merely the God of the gaps, but is actually very present in our world, and in the continued operation thereof? The authors has provided – even if you don’t exactly accept every point of evolutionary science – as great source book in dealing with various claims of those who deny science  in the role of Creation and those who deny the role of a Creator in our universe.

April 21st, 2011

McKnight on Mohler on The Language of Science and Faith

Here we see a real problem. Giberson and Collins did not say that only a dead and lifeless text can be factually accurate. Dr. Mohler added the word only to the statement and this addition distorts the emphasis of what Giberson and Collins actually write in this paragraph. They are claiming that the Bible is a living and powerful book. This powerful living character is not defined by factual accuracy. Doesn’t the paragraph seem to say that even a dead and lifeless text can be factually accurate rather than only a dead and lifeless text? Scripture contains a variety of genre including poetry and story(at least in the parables) and there is power in the form – even Dr. Mohler would agree with this I believe.

via Throwing the Bible Under the Bus? (RJS) | Jesus Creed.

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