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March 18th, 2013

Karl Barth at the Movies: Flight

If you can skip the first five to ten minutes of it, where there is needless nudity, the entirety of the movie is a morality play filled with philosophical questions.

In FlightDenzel Washington plays Capt. Whip Whitaker, an airline pilot we first encounter next to a naked woman who later turns to be his flight attendant, Katerina Márquez (Nadine Velazquez). The captain is clearly still intoxicated, wakes up, drinks some more and does a line or two of cocaine. We don’t really know he is a captain yet. We do know he is divorced and has a strained relationship with his wife and son.

If you have seen the previews, you’d know about the miracle landing of the flight at the beginning of the movie. It’s pretty intense — I don’t think I took a breath until the plane crashed. The maneuvers of the captain allowed all but 6 people to walk away from the flight.

Interspersed in this story is that of Nicole (Kelly Reilly). She is a former photographer who is down on her luck. And a junkie. She retreats to a former fling on the set of a porn movie where he gives her some heroin. Back home, she shoots up only to go into some sort of cardiac arrest, I would guess. The paramedics are taking her out of her apartment as the place Whitaker is flying inverted races over the building. Later in the hospital, they both meet in a stairwell along with a cancer patient representing the best of fatalistic Calvinism — God gave me cancer so why even question it? They talk, each of them, for a bit. He leaves them with the parting words that God brought the two together to save each other.

The film progresses through the TSA investigation. The captain is facing perhaps a lifetime in prison due to being drunk but his attorney gets them to dismiss the toxicology report. We are led to believe that everything is going good until a week before the public hearing when Whitaker, his union rep., and his lawyer are talking in a hanger about vodka bottles found in the crash site. They want him to blame the dead flight attendant — the one he woke up with, the one who died because she saved the life of a child. This is the only sacrifice he has to make. To blame her. He refuses to talk about it and storms out.

In the mean time, he has a discussion with his co-pilot Ken Evans (Brian Geraghty) who is clearly a man of devout piety. Several comments have been made in the movie thus far about Whitaker’s dismissal of anything related to God. However, in this one scene where Evans tells Whitaker that he is likely to never walk again, the co-pilot also unleashed on Whitaker about how he knew the Captain was too drunk to fly. As Whitaker gets up to leave, Evans and his wife tell the Captain that they haven’t said anything to the TSA about his condition. But, they want to pray with the Captain. They also tell him a few other things about how this is the moment God has brought Whitaker too.

The night before the TSA hearing, Whitaker is locked into a hotel room free of alcohol. About 2 that morning, he notices that the door to the other room is open where he also sees a stocked fridge. Well stocked. The next morning, the union rep and the lawyer find Whitaker passed out on the bathroom floor with both rooms destroyed. They bring in the drug dealer who promptly gets Whitaker up to take-off speed with a few hits of coke.

At the hearing, everything is progressing well. It is even announced that the cause of the accident is determined to be mechanical with reports from months before prophesying months before that if the mechanical error occurs inflight, there would be nothing able to save the plane. Before the end of the hearing, however, the TSA officer asks about the vodka bottles. This is Whitaker’s moment to blame the dead girl and walk away. But he doesn’t. Instead, he utters “God help me” and confesses his alcoholism, even saying that he was drunk right then.

As a post-script, he is seen speaking to group of convicts. He was given five years for breaking the public trust. But, here, he has made amends. Here, he has found help for his alcoholism. Here, he says, he is finally free. The final scene is between him and his son. The relationship is less strained, more friendly. The son has to do a college essay on the most fascinating person he’s never met. So, he is there to interview his father. The first question he asks Whitaker is “Who are you?”

There are plenty of reviews disgruntled with the role religion plays in the film. However, I wasn’t. Why so serious?

Karl Barth

Karl Barth (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I immediately thought of Barth and the role his sermons in prison played in his theology. [[William Willimon]]]’s book, Who Will be Saved, sums up much of Karl Barth’s theology here with the analogy of prison. Barth is reminded that all are prisoners, and it is more poignant standing “in a house where there are so many closed doors.” We are all prisoners, Barth says, even the freest among us, even those in the “so-called free world.” In the movie, the Captain receives his freedom only when he is in prison. Only when the doors are closed are they finally open. We are all in one prison or another. Whitaker, a free man who was wealthy, had his share of women, drugs, and fun, was imprisoned in the foulness of greed. He wanted more excitement, more of something. Only when he gave this up, when he was about to be free of any charges and would likely have walked away a hero, did he accept his imprisonment. There, he found freedom.

English: American actress Nadine Velazquez, ci...

English: American actress Nadine Velazquez, circa 2006. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Indeed, the doors to hell are locked from the inside. Whitaker opened the door when he could have remained free, responsible only to himself and walked into a prison of freedom. Throughout the movie, there are plot points where the discussion of God’s sovereignty is discussed, all to the chagrin of Whitaker who laughs it off. Each time, however, he is pointed to the idea that God will eventually catch him. In the end, he and Nicole seemed to be together. His family is joined back to him. And he serves to free others. In prison, but it is a prison of his own choosing.

If you get a chance to watch the movie, skip the needless nudity at the beginning and watch with intensity.

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November 29th, 2011

What is and isn’t the Word of God – I guess I’m Barthian

“The statement that the Bible is the Word of God cannot therefore say that the Word of God is tied to the Bible. On the contrary, what it must say is that the Bible is tied to the Word of God.” (ht)

I am thoroughly Barthian in my view of Scripture, I’ve been told. To me, Scripture contains the word of God, but is not the word of God. The Word of God alone is Christ. Christ alone is the fullness of the revelation of God.

The word of God is preaching and the prophetic messages, even of modern day prophets,

“Real proclamation, then, means the Word of God preached and the Word of God preached means… man’s talk about God on the basis of God’s own direction, which fundamentally transcends all human causation, which cannot, then, be put on a human basis, but which simply takes place, and has to be acknowledged, as a fact” (CD I/1, 90).

Dorothy Day. Martin Luther King, Jr. John Calvin, and others.

To say then, that Scripture is the Word of God, something it never actually says about itself, or perhaps, the authors ever contemplated when they were recording the collective memory of those who came before, is misleading and indeed, disallowing the real word of God. Scripture contains the word of God, but unless acted upon, are mere words. When it is proclaimed, that proclamation becomes the word of God.

This power in the proclamation is what has, I guess, attracted me to rhetorical criticism of Scripture. George Kennedy summarizes Ernesto Grassi in relating the power of the preaching, the kerygma, and of course, why Scripture is Scripture. He believes that the rhetoric of sacred language embodies five characteristics:

  1. It has a purely revealing or evangelical character, not a demonstrative or proving function; it does not arise out of a process of inference, but authoritatively proclaims the truth.
  2. Its statements are immediate, formulated without mediation or contemplation
  3. They are imagistic and metaphorical, lending the reality of sensory appearances a new meaning.
  4. Its assertions are absolute and urgent; whatever does not fit with them is treated outrageous
  5. Its pronouncements are outside of time.

 

I like them all, but the first one has an important and immediate meaning. When we attempt to logically declare Scripture anything more than it declares itself, we are removing the sacred language of it, and inferring upon it the need for it to be something more than that which it claims. It never once claims to the pure, without error, infallible word of God, but many have a need and will go through great lengths to infer that because of a, b, and c, then d equals that it is the word of God. It doesn’t. No logical or post-scriptural formulation infers upon it anything which is actually needed. To call it, then, the Word of God, is to remove from it the actual authority which they who insist upon calling it, and then appending to such a title adjectives as infallible and inerrant, insist it has. Scripture doesn’t need our help. Proclaim the grand narrative of Scripture, denying nothing in it, even the contradictions, but instead, relying that when the Spirit moves, the effective proclamation of Scripture becomes the word of God.

Scripture is holy and the Word of God,” he indicated, “because by the Holy Spirit it became and will become to the Church a witness to divine revelation.”

July 30th, 2011

Roger E. Olson on the “minor heresy” of universalism

I think universalism is a minor heresy SO LONG AS it does not interfere with evangelism. (See my earlier post here about why universalism should NOT interfere with evangelism.) I also evaluate the seriousness of universalism by its context–viz., why does the person affirm it? If universalism is evidence of a denial of God’s wrath and/or human sinfulness, then it is much more serious. Barth’s universalism (yes, I believe Karl Barth was a universalist and I’ll post a message here about why later) did not arise out of those denials which is why he didn’t like the appellation “universalist.” The term is usually associated with liberal theology. In that case, as part of an overall liberal/modernist theology, I consider it very serious indeed.

How serious a heresy is universalism? | Roger E. Olson.

I’m against universalism. Universalism is, in my opinion, if there is such a thing as heresy, is the very definition of the word. Why? Because in universalism which teaches that all will be saved, the point of teaching, growing, and reaching people – the very point of the Cross becomes muted to a dangerously low level, empowering the myth that all religions, like all people, are created equal.

I cannot call it a minor heresy, really, because it, in my opinion, dismisses the Cross of Christ and forces God into an action which He has no control over.

But, I recommend the article.

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July 4th, 2011

Willimon on the Political Victory of the Cross

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This may be difficult for some to hear, but the Northern Alabama Bishop writes that these man-made principalities are nothing but shadows to God. How dare he!

He writes,

Politically, this means that Jesus’ victory has left us with only one realm – the kingdom of God. Other principalities, whether they be those of the United States, the United Kingdom, or Satan, exist now only in our minds, in our contrained imaginations, as mere shadows of their former selves….

And

Barth stresses that even those who neither know nor acknowledge this, even those who actively resist this change in citizen ship, still find themselves living in this realm, “claimed and absorbed by his act of obedience.”

Christus Victor must be this type of political victory, one in which Christ has defeated the powers and what what remains is their constant attempt at resurgence, a rebellion which the Church still stands, with Christ at our head, as the only real obedient place of citizenship.

June 29th, 2011

Willimon’s Understanding of Barth’s Rationalizing of his universalism

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Among the first things which I learned as a ‘biblioblogger’ (or rather from a biblioblogger?) is to understand the speaker, the audience, and the interpreter and the role which they play in shaping our own understanding of the text upon which we now gaze. (Thanks to Dr. Gayle for this)

In doing so, I find it interesting to read Willimon reading Barth while professing a Wesleyan lens. It is also interesting to note that Willimon, a conservative United Methodist Bishop and Theologian, has said more in the first three chapters on his book regarding universal restoration than Rob Bell, as far as I know, ever has and does so while quoting Barth. This is interesting because Mark Galli has named Barth as among his theological heroes as well. Anyway, as I recently read Crisp’s short essay on Barth, he was able to put Barth’s future expectation into focus, but I think that Willimon, at least for me, centers that focus and removes any of the haziness which remained. Willimon writes,

What Barth denied in the idea of apolatastasis was to make universal salvation inevitable. To in any way imply that God must save would be to make our salvation a law or a general principle and to do so would be to limit the freedom and sovereignty of God.

This is about the clearest means of addressing Barth’s double-minded words on this topic which I have seen. While Barth hoped for and believed that their would be a universal restoration, a New Creation, it was God’s gift and not God’s law which would do so, placing everything upon God and rescuing God’s sovereignty from various theological positions. If God must saved everyone, they it was no longer a gift and the cross of Christ is pointless; yet, if God does redeem all of Creation, then is His choice, not ours. Barth saw God’s sovereignty, it would seem to me, as a central doctrine in Scripture/Theology which all other things feed to and from. God is Sovereign.

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June 28th, 2011

Willimon on Salvation as a Theological Narrative, not Anthropological

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A commentator noted a few of these posts ago that Willimon liked Narrative Theology. I am not always a fan of any theology which seems to force Scripture interprets Scripture as the only means of interpretation, however, which Narrative Theology, on the surface, seems to enforce. I do, however, like a theology which can take the whole of Christian canonical experience and create a story, but without prohibiting the free study of the individual parts. I’m not sure where Willimon fits into this quandary here, but in this chapter (3), he does use Narrative Theology to tell the story of Salvation.

He begins with the statement that, “Salvation is God’s projection of God’s desires upon us.” Agreed. He moves to write, “Salvation is the story, the whole story, from beginning to end, the discernible shape of the narrative that is being told by God, not just the end of the story.” Agreed, doubly so. I note that many view salvation as a one time moment in their particular history, in that they have a religious experience or moment of compunction and declare themselves saved, but (and I think that this is where Willimon’s nascent Wesleyanism comes in at) salvation is a long, broad path which the Christian journeys upon to a final destination which is really just the beginning. In the back of my mind is Paul who writes of having been saved (past), of being saved (present), and of being saved (future). Paul, Wesley, Barth and now Willimon are saying nothing different – that salvation, having already occurred at the Cross is now something people are called to participate in, but that there will be a final realization of it in the Eschaton.

Willimon says something else though, something that I find particularly intriguing today. He says that we have been taught to listen to “Scripture anthropologically rather than theologically.” He’s right. Often times I hear well intentioned people saying, “How does Scripture speak to me?” or “what does this mean today?” Instead, Willimon what us to understand that Scripture is not about us, but about God and then, only because Scripture is it about God, it turns to us. Scripture is not speaking to us as Dagon, but it is God’s story which we are invited to listen too.

For Willimon, Salvation is a Comic Event (Christus Victor?) which is only something that God can accomplish. The more I read Willimon and others, the more I come to see Salvation as indeed a past event, decided already, for everyone, at the Cross. While it is an on going ‘Mass’, it is forever set in History, and yet above History. It is something we are called to participate in, but we cannot validate it or ’cause’ it or even ‘accept’ it. In my opinion, any of these actions would take Salvation out of hands of God and put it into our hands, as if we can somehow either cause it or prevent it. I would agree with Willimon, that God’s desire is one which reaches from Genesis 1 and 2 (more 2 than 1 in my opinion) and completed at Golgotha. He writes, “The restless Creator became the relentless Redeemer. The Redeemer is the same fabricator of the chaos whom we met as Creator. The work of the cosmic Christ is cosmic salvation.”

From here, he knows the question which will be asks and goes to answer it, “Is the hope of universal restoration, the hope that all people will be saved – that hell will not be eternal and that God will eventually be “all in all” (1 Cor 15.28) – a legitimate Christian hope?” Well, is it? (He answers it, but you, what do you say?)

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June 26th, 2011

Karl Barth on Hitler’s Forgiveness

Admittedly, this is an interpretation of Barth, but I would be interested in hearing from others if they have other quotes on this subject.

The Protestant theologian Karl Barth is purported to have been asked such a question. Bear in mind that Barth was one of the greatest Christian theologians who defied Hitler, yet when he was asked such a question, he would cite the passage from Romans 5:8-9 that reads, But God proves his love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us. How much more then, since we are now justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath. Only such  unparalleled mercy and forgiveness, such unstinting gladness could have  prompted the Führer’s genuine repentance. To accuse him, though justly, of his dreadful sins would have prompted Hitler’s self-righteous  defense, his angry justification of his ‘necessary’ deeds.[1]


[1] David Lyon Bartlett, Barbara Brown Taylor,  “Feasting on the Word: Lent  through Eastertide” (Atlanta: John Knox Westminster, 2008) p. 110.

June 23rd, 2011

Mark Galli – Our Atonement Theories Inform Our Worldview

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No doubt we can see this. Do we see Christ as a triumphant victor over the powers or do we see Him as the sacrifice for our sins made to fulfill the judicial requirements of a wrathful God-Judge? Or, like Michael Bird, can we effectively combine them. I am a Christus Victor believer. Period. Okay, well, maybe not period. I think Bird’s viewpoint has merits. In the linked to post above, Bird is taking on Galli’s article on  on the rise of Christus Victor, which seems to be replacing the ‘traditional model’ of the Penal Substitution.

The tag line to Galli’s article is, “An increasingly popular view of the atonement forces the question: What are we saved from?”

I would think that he is asking a question which is not really present in Scripture. It is a question engendered by the questioner. In other words, Mark is asking the question, not Scripture, because he sees salvation as being saved from something. What if salvation was seen as redemption, or as I believe that Irenaeus may have seen it, as recapitulation? In other words, we are a people purchased for God, redeemed from a fallen creation. I tend to view CV as a belief system a lot older, and well within the canonical stream, than PSA. After all, through the OT, YHWH is fighting other gods and nations, etc… for the safety of Israel.

Before I move forward, let me quote Greg Boyd on the conflation of PSA and CV in Barth, a notable figure in Galli’s theological foundation:

It turned out that Adam, who had defended the view that Jesus’ work on the cross appeased the Father’s wrath, agreed with me that the Father wasn’t wrathful toward Jesus. It’s just that God’s wrath against sin was expressed by him delivering Christ up to the Powers in our place. Sin was judged and Christ was our substitute — hence, Penal Substitution. Adam informed me that this is basically the view of Karl Barth, expressed in his Church Dogmatics (which I will now certainly have to look into). Well, I replied, if that’s what you mean by the Penal Substitution view of the atonement, consider me a card carrying member!

Galli begins the article noting that Bell is clearly, as others are doing with their own theological treatments, teaching something along the lines of Christus Victor. I admit, that this atonement model figures heavily into Bell’s worldview, just as PSA figures heavily into the worldview of the Reformed. Bell does pretty well lash out at PSA, and for him, it is a toxic view. But, Galli is not able to accept that his understanding and better, his application, of PSA is not the one traditionally put forth by the loudest voices in Reformed Christian history. Further, I note that Galli judging CV based on the elements (guilt) of PSA and not on purely Scriptural and Historical points. He states, as a measure of self-preservation, that,

With these clarifications, biblical substitutionary atonement in all its nuances (the Bible frames it in subtly different ways: as sacrifice, propitiation, and payment) remains the dominant metaphor for atonement in Scripture.

I disagree. PSA was not the dominant view until Anselm and others starting working the European/Roman/Latin worldview into Christian atonement. It became the dominant view in the Protestant West, but unless we are willing to concede that we are so subjective as to think that the Reformed Protestant Worldview is the historically dominant worldview, then we may want to cease thinking that the PSA, or generally any atonement theory, is actually dominant. He goes on,

Both actually include dimensions of personal guilt and victimhood, but as I listen to the discussion today, it seems that Christus Victor highlights our state as victims.

I don’t really understand that viewpoint, as I can see in the PSA theory the role of victim, i.e., we are all victims of Adam’s sin. With those who I verbally discuss such matters with, none of us see the idea of ‘victim’ in CV, but instead understand the role of Christ as the Liberator, the Victor, the Lord who redeemed us from the powers which we, by our own sinful state, worship or otherwise participate in. Galli also writes,

But I’m concerned at the rising popularity of Christus Victor when it comes at the expense of substitution.

Okay – why do you need substitution? Further, why is he expecting Bell to have written a theological treatise on this? Note Bird and Barth above. I really like how he goes on to state that Scripture only uses CV language ‘momentarily.’ Doubtful, at best, that Galli here knows the full dynamic of the conversation. As Bird pointed out, CV has the most Scripture attached to, and I would go further, in stating that it has the long record of use of any atonement theory. He is right, however, that CV is accompanied with some form of substitution, but I would urge holders to Galli’s view, to note inclusion and conflation of the theories does not one dominant.

His statement here is blatantly false, almost to the point of ignorance:

Add to this the extensive discussion of substitutionary atonement in Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews—and no extensive discussions of Christus Victor anywhere in the New Testament—and one begins to wonder how much stock we should put in Christus Victor. In short, should we be so quick to marginalize substitutionary atonement?

One should make such bold statements without substantial support (See Rodney’s view on Galatians). He goes on to note that CV is rising in our society due to social constructions. I find it odd that he fails to note social construction during the rise of PSA or the social constructions of the earliest Christians who held to CV. Christianity didn’t begin with the Reformation, and Christian doctrine didn’t end with the development of PSA.

He ends his article with the note that for some reason, we need a lot of talk about personal sin and the need for forgiveness. This is where Bell comes in at: in that those, today, who seem to hold to CV instead talk about participating in the triumph of God while those who seem to hold to PSA are constantly worried, almost to a legalistic stand point, of sinning and falling out of the Grace of God as if the Grace of God was dependent upon the actions of a single moment. I admit that a strict CV interpretation of Scripture doesn’t seem to hold sway with me. Instead, I like what Boyd said about Barth and what Bird has said about CV. Further, Galli makes excellent points that CV may lead some to think of themselves as a victim. With all of that, I still must caution using our individual atonement models as the final arbiter of what another says. I have often found that in between two extremist positions, there is often the truth.

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June 23rd, 2011

An Introduction to Mark Galli

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In 2009, Mockingbird had an exclusive interview with Mark Galli. I am fearful of posting too much on Galli as a person because for too often, we attack the person and not the stance or doctrine. This is unfair, however, I want to post some introductions to Galli in order to better equip me with his worldview. I know were Rob Bell is coming from. I want to know where Galli is coming from. This helps to judge the outcome of their books and their goals in their ministry. Further, it helps to assess whether or not Galli is really a ‘big-tent Christian’ or not. Again, Galli is not an evil Christian imposter because he is a Calvinist (nor Bell because he is more Arminian), etc… but it helps to know his back ground before we can correctly ascertain his trajectory. I simply don’t want to judge someone on their foundational beliefs, but I think that in knowing where they are coming from, it helps to understand what they are saying.

You can find the interview here: Part 1; Part 2.

Below are statements which have stood out to me for one reason or another:

  • But at the same time, that activism is almost like an addiction.
  • …what I consider to be the main concern with the evangelical movement right now; it’s addicted to the horizontal: what we do, what we’re doing wrong and how we should fix it.
  • I just keep on coming back to Luther’s truth that we are simultaneously justified and sinners.
  • A lot of this is driven by my own personal spiritual journey and is hammered home by the biblical message, and something that Luther got really well: the harder I try to be a good Christian, I notice the worse Christian I am: more self-righteous, more impatient, more frustrated.
  • Though who I’ve read the most is Karl Barth. Especially recently. That’s probably why you’re seeing a new intensity in my writing on this. I’m exploring writing a book on Barth. And in the course of doing that I was reminded how much I really like this guy.
  • Well, I do think the neo-Calvinist movement is a hopeful sign.
  • The other thing that’s a helpful movement, but could move in one of two directions, is the Ancient-Future movement. When people are trying to draw on the resources of Church historic, especially the early church fathers, and the church tradition that’s found in Catholic and Orthodox (and Anglican) circles, I think that is helpful, as long as it’s not being turned into a new traditional-ism, or it’s turned into a new religion.
  • There were no evangelicals in 1500, but then God raised up Luther and John Calvin to remind us of that. There were no Evangelicals per se in 1700 but Whitefield and Wesley came along and started the preaching that led to the Great Awakening.

Alright – what I am worried about is the Galli sees Christian History skipping from far distant past to Luther and Calvin (What, no Zwingli? Heretic), then to the Great Awakening and now to us. Further, with the book which I hold in my hands, both of them, they both claim to like Barth and to be big fans. Yet Willimon‘s take, I suspect, will be vastly different than Galli’s.

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June 22nd, 2011

Willimon, Powers, and maybe not going far enough

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I am not a Willimon expert, but I have to wonder if he is not an adherent to Christus Victor. I get this sense from his near-constant use of the cosmic metaphor. For example,

Christians are witnesses to a great cosmic incursion, an invasion in which god, rather than being distant from the world, has daringly entered the world (Gal. 4.4). The world is God’s contested territory in a vast program of reclamation.

Alright, I guess that is a pretty enough picture. Theological, but a little science fiction. Can we, the modern thinker, still hold to the notion of the Christus Victor, however, and see salvation as God bursting forth, defeating the powers and principalities? He (again) quotes Barth who loved the phrase “Jesus is Victor!”. Our author goes on to note that this love of Christ has ‘defeated the principalities and powers….and forever secured all creation as his territory.’ The one thing which Willimon doesn’t do is to name them (yet). Here, I am reminded of Gombis‘ work in which while exploring Paul’s use of the dramatic in Ephesians, notes that we shouldn’t name those powers, but steadily work against them. But Willimon goes on to connect Genesis to Golgotha with, “God’s Genesis assault upon chaos was brought to glorious fulfillment in Jesus’ victory on Golgotha.” All of this, to me, is a wonderful way of hiding the fact that Willimon may in fact be a closet henotheist and understands that the Most High God has defeated the powers of chaos through Christ but will not name what these powers are.

Can any respected theologian go so far as to comment on who or what these powers might be without threatening their monotheism? Or, perhaps I am going too far.

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June 21st, 2011

Abraham declares Wesleyan Theology Dead

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In a comment today, John Poirier notes something which Abraham had said. I found this article similar to the report, which begins:

Wesleyan theology is dead. Up from the ashes comes a different, historical way of looking at John Wesley.

In speaking with Rodney this evening, I noted the conversation and that I had found the article. Interesting enough, we were discussing whether or not what he mean was more in line with the dearth of Wesleyan Theologians. It seems, in my opinion, that Wesleyan theologians are more Barth than Wesley. The article goes on to state:

…Wesleyan theology has grown into more of a personal doctrine than a church doctrine, he said.

“There are as many John Wesleys as there are students of Wesley,” Abraham said.

Abraham said he thinks the broadening and personalizing of Wesleyan theology has ultimately led to its death within the Methodist church.

“We have used Wesley to our own ends and projected into Wesley what we have loved in life,” Abraham said.

Not yet reading anything else, I get the sense that Abraham is instead railing against the misuse of Wesley. Anyway, thought I’d share.

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