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For all time’s sake: John Piper’s latest tweet stupidity

He pulled it down, but you know what… he’s still the south end of a northbound horse.

John Piper Rape Tweet

Since he took the tweet down, I decided to leave the tweet before and after to show where it was.

To the Marginalized of the Southern Baptist Convention… #the15

calvinists are marginalizedDuring the 1970’s and early 80’s, there was a huge fight in the Southern Baptist Convention over the direction of the denomination. The conservatives of the denomination were successful in marginalizing liberals, moderates, women, and others who did not preach “the real Gospel.”

Today, the Southern Baptist Convention is virtually led by the Rev. Dr. Albert Mohler, the arch-fundamentalist who is a Calvinist — who has no regard for Arminianism, ecumenical relationships, and constantly teaches women are second class in the Church.

They got rid of anyone who did not agree with their new philosophy and their new gospel.

Over the holidays, John Piper tweeted a positive note about Pope Francis for taking on the bureaucracy of the Vatican:

And it enraged Calvinists who seem to think Jack Chick was right about ecumenical commitments. Now, they are claiming to be “marginalized.”

Let that sink in.

In the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, where Calvinism is quickly becoming the order of the day — and in a denomination that refutes liberation theology, Arminianism, the Great Tradition, and anything else Mohler tells them to — and in a denomination that is mostly (and by mostly, I mean MOSTLY) white and middle class — to claim marginalization takes some big… uh…

round things.

But, there is a group that is claiming such a thing:

…Stetzer rushes to the defense of his fellow evangelical celebrity and marginalizes the critics by calling them “the same 15 Calvinists who are mad at everyone for everything.”

This isn’t just tongue-in-cheek whimsy for Stetzer. We realize what’s happening here. It’s what is happening every single day – those who are concerned are marginalized. We are few in number, they tell us. And to these people, numbers are everything, and so to be few in number is to be marginalized. It’s a license to ignore, but more than that, it’s a license to ridicule.

I kid you not… these people are claiming to be marginalized. Calvinists… in a Calvinist-leaning denomination… are claiming the language and thought of the oppressed to expressed their situation about being criticized on Twitter. I haven’t seen this much co-opting of the narrative since I read a UMC’er latest blog.

This is laughable… sad… and laughable.

and let’s not forget, when you disagree with the official policy, you may be kicked out

Can John Piper teach the #UMC something about gay marriage?

John Piper (theologian)
John Piper (theologian) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In one of the UMC fb groups, someone asked a question about how we can handle now-legal marriages that are forbidden by the Book of Discipline. Indeed, the UMC prevents clergy from officiating these (gay) marriages (although there is a proposed, sort of, plan to deal with that) and our BoD equally states that such things are against Christian teaching, although we affirm the sacred worth of these individuals.

But, gay marriage is growing. It is a reality. And, these couples may even want to attend a United Methodist church. So, how do we handle this?

As much as it galls me to say this, maybe John Piper (shudder) has something to teach those who are wondering what to do with these cultural and now legal marriages not recognized by the BoD.

You can read something of that here.

So I think you shouldn’t be married to two women today, or a woman to two men. And yet there are cultures that do it. And so you want to go evangelize those cultures. And you win them to Christ and now they have two wives.

I might say, “OK, those who have two wives, be faithful to both of them until the next generation, or until one of them dies. But never do this again.”

Um, @johnpiper calls out @pastormark and @tyndalehouse over plagiarism

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Wow…

Quote of the Day @JasonEVickers

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I don’t always agree with Vickers but when I do, he is hammering the megastars of irrelevancy.

The Greatness of Christianity

Westboro Baptist Church at the United Nations ...
Westboro Baptist Church at the United Nations headquarters in New York City, on the day of Pope Benedict’s address to the UN General Assembly. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Ignatius of Antioch, in writing to the church in Rome, concludes a passage with the thought,

“Christianity is greatest when it is hated by the World.”

There are a few ways to look at this, I guess. The first, is through the lens of the self-proclaimed martyr who believed that only through his death could he be ‘proved a Christian.’ The second is through what some may label empire critical and the such. By this, I mean we understand Christianity as the other kingdom, opposing the World System. In this case, like much of the New Testament, World = Rome.

I hope he meant the latter.

After all, Westboro Baptist Church, John Hagee, John Piper and others of the ilk are often hated in the name of Christ, although we may debate just what merits ‘Christian’ when we speak of some of these.

In the last few months, we’ve seen — and I count this as a positive — a warmer reception of tradition Catholic teaching thanks to Pope Francis. Some have gone so far as to say he is ‘making Christianity cool again.’ I have to wonder what the Holy Father would have to say about that.

This presents two different realities of reception of Christianity. Ignatius demands we stand against the World System. Today, many want traditional Christian teaching to bow to modernity, the new World System.

By the way, I’m not against progressive in theology based on the Quad. I believe very much in progressing theology based on new understandings rendered to us by the host of sciences.

However, examine closely how the Right, politically, in this country desires the Church to be an arm of the State? Allan Bevere covered this in Politics of Witness and it still rings true. Not to say the left doesn’t have their sway as well, but the Right wants Church blessings on war (bad eschatology) and the such.

Have we in the West become too aligned with the Government? Isn’t it not time to find the Church hated by political parties?

Thoughts?

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