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May 24th, 2013

My latest on @HuffPostRelig

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March 7th, 2012

John Piper’s fuzzy logic on natural disasters

John Piper is, by all accounts, an intelligent person, so I remain mystified by the lapses in logic he displays when blogging about natural disasters like  the recent fury of storms in the Midwest United States. As a theologian he’s certainly more legitimate than a Pat Robertson-type figure so I’m forced to take him seriously, and I can appreciate his particular view of divine sovereignty even though it strongly repels me. Personal disagreements with his theology notwithstanding, the sheer failure of rational thinking on this particular subject is what I really find offensive.

Now, Piper doesn’t shy away from the tough questions that his brand of Calvinism raises. This week he admirably took on the question of “Why”: Why, if God executes meticulous and total control over all states of affairs, did he choose to lay the hammer on the Midwest and not somewhere else? From the blog post:

God alone has the last say in where and how the wind blows. If a tornado twists at 175 miles an hour and stays on the ground like a massive lawnmower for 50 miles, God gave the command.

  • “The wind of the Lord, shall come, rising from the wilderness, and it shall strip Ephraim’s treasury of every precious thing” (Hosea 13:15).
  • The Lord turned the wind into a very strong west wind, which lifted the locusts and drove them into the Red Sea” (Exodus 10:19).
  • God appointed a scorching east wind” (Jonah 4:8).
  • God commanded and raised the stormy wind” (Psalm 107:25).

Via Desiring God

 

And two years ago, when a tornado ran through downtown Minneapolis:

 

Jesus Christ controls the wind, including all tornados.

Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him? (Mark 4:41)

Via Desiring God

The obvious point to make here is that none of these scriptures really support the idea that God is the one directing these natural disasters to occur. If it’s supposed to be a deductive argument then Piper is missing some key premises that he doesn’t really explain. Clearly, moving from

1: God caused disaster X to happen in the past

to

Conclusion: God causes all disasters that ever happen anywhere

requires some logical maneuvering. On the face of it its ridiculous, like arguing that, since I started my car this morning, I am therefore responsible at all times for any car in the world starting.

Alternatively these verses may be meant to provide evidence for the idea that God controls all events that occur in the world, as a type of inductive argument. This really isn’t much better, and probably worse. If these verses attest to occurrences of God’s specific intervention in the world then they constitute exceedingly weak evidence to the idea that God’s control is total and absolute. As another example, pointing out that I know my multiplication tables up to the fours is very weak evidence for the idea that I can calculate any conceivable mathematical problem on the fly.

I know elsewhere that John Piper has explicated and defended his view of divine sovereignty,  so perhaps it is a principle assumed for the purposes of his writing. On the other hand, its pretty clear he thinks these verses support his view, since he clearly presents them in this fashion. But any reader, Calvinist, Open Theist or atheist, should find the logical reasoning  wanting at best.

 

 

February 7th, 2012

Images of Masculine Christianity vs ‘Feminine?’ Christianity? @johnpiper @rachelheldevans

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I could post quotes from Pat Robertson all day, but this is the last one…

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All of that and more vs this:

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And, perhaps the best image of ‘feminine’ Christianity is from the Women of Liberia Mass Action which ended a bloody civil war…

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Leymah Gbowee and Comfort Freeman, presidents of two different Lutheran churches, organized the Women in Peacebuilding Network (WIPNET), and issued a statement of intent: “In the past we were silent, but after being killed, raped, dehumanized, and infected with diseases, and watching our children and families destroyed, war has taught us that the future lies in saying NO to violence and YES to peace! We will not relent until peace prevails.” [4]

Asatu Bah Kenneth, Assistant Minister for Administration and Public Safety of the Liberian Ministry of Justice,[5] was president of the Liberia Female Law Enforcement Association at the time. Inspired by the work of the Christian women’s peace initiative, she formed the Liberian Muslim Women’s Organization to work for peace.[6]

Together, Gbowee and Kenneth brought both groups together to form the Mass Action, a rare thing to happen in Liberia. Since they were brought together, relations have been less tense and more open between Christians and Muslims in Liberia, specifically Monrovia.

The Christian and Muslim women joined forces to create Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace. They wore white, to symbolize peace.

For her leadership, Leymah Gbowee has received international recognition, including the 2009 John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award[7] and the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize.

February 6th, 2012

The Logical Conclusion to the Problem of Masculine Christianity

I’m telling you, there’s a lot of weak vessels, silly women, out there, who ungodly men lie in wait for. Am I controlling for keeping my woman away from these evil men? Then so be it. Yes, I am in control, but I love my woman enough to grant her freedom of thought and expression. She is as intelligent as I am, but still the weaker vessel, due to her willingness to surrender and submit to a man who takes charge. Ask yourself, how many men adopt the interests and beliefs of their wives? None. How many women adopts the interests and beliefs of their husbands? They are in abundance. It is clear that a woman submits to a man who rules her, even to the point of abuse, I’m sad to say. Therefore a Christian man is told to love his woman as himself. What man would abuse himself? He may abuse drugs or alcohol but not himself.

via here.

This is, of course, following on the with the conversation from last week…

This could be Poe’s Law, but it’s not. Quiverfull is real movement…

February 3rd, 2012

John Piper and Masculine Christianity: An Interactive Post for our Readers

An exercise for our readers:

Read John Piper’s recent remarks about the masculine nature of Christianity.

Re-read those remarks, replacing all  instances of “man/man” and “masculine” with the words “Jew/Jews” and “Jewish.”

What do you notice about your results?

What does this imply about the modal logic skills that John Piper possesses, or does not possess?

Show your work.

February 3rd, 2012

Pox on the flavour of Christianity.

Note: This is a departure from my normal genre of writing, and is in the format of a rant or vent….one of which I don’t apologise.

John Piper has got up my nose when he said, “God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “masculine feel” 

I made the following comment elsewhere today:

Pipers ‘sodmonisation’ of Scripture is what happens when you cowtow to a certain theological belief system and community, in which the peer pressure to remain “one of the boys” is immense.

Seriously this guy has overstepped the mark. Joel made a great comment about his marriage improving in his recent post about leaving Fundamentalism in which he posted about a new book being released by IVP.

Shame on you John Piper! Shame!  Do you really believe that God’s intention is for Christianity to have an masculine feel!

I thought Christianity was about Christ, freeing all of humanity from the bondage of sin and reconciling us back to God. I thought within the framework of Christianity we recognise that both male and female were created in the image of God. And I thought that within the glorious liberation of the Gospel that there is no distinction between gender, race and societal class / position in Christ.  … H.T my blog 

Piper, Driscol, et al, all remind me of a school boys club where they get a grip on each other, if you know what I mean? I think Paul’s vent to them would be….guys I wish you would go and cut all your tackle off! Such is the nature of circumcising the body. …..end of my rant!

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February 3rd, 2012

Masculine Christianity sees women only as wives and mothers, only as sexualized objects

The other day, I posted on the words of John Piper who called Christianity masculine. Tim GombisRachel Held Evans, JDR Kirk, and Scott McKnight have since done so as well.

1. A masculine ministry believes that it is more fitting that men take the lash of criticism that must come in a public ministry, than to unnecessarily expose women to this assault.

2. A masculine ministry seizes on full-orbed, biblical doctrine with a view to teaching it to the church and pressing it with courage into the lives of the people.

3. A masculine ministry brings out the more rugged aspects of the Christian life and presses them on the conscience of the church with a demeanor that accords with their proportion in Scripture.

4. A masculine ministry takes up heavy and painful realities in the Bible, and puts them forward to those who may not want to hear them.

5. A masculine ministry heralds the truth of Scripture, with urgency and forcefulness and penetrating conviction, to the world and in the regular worship services of the church.

6. A masculine ministry welcomes the challenges and costs of strong, courageous leadership without complaint or self-pity with a view to putting in place principles and structures and plans and people to carry a whole church into joyful fruitfulness.

7. A masculine ministry publicly and privately advocates for the vital and manifold ministries of women in the life and mission of the church.

8. A masculine ministry models for the church the protection, nourishing, and cherishing of a wife and children as part of the high calling of leadership.

There is so many things wrong here. For one, where are the validity of women as women and not as a wife or mother? I mean, sure, there is the denial of the aspect of Wisdom in the Divine, something I’ve covered before. And yes, I named my daughter after Jesus… Sophia.

Further, there is the notion that a non-masculine ministry will not uphold Scripture and conviction (point 5). Really? Ignoring the fact that Piper believes he is right on these matters, how would a more feminine Christianity (anyone find it ironic that Israel and the Church have been called the Bride of YHWH/Christ, meaning that it should be by nature feminine?) not do those things? Further, I guess women couldn’t preach that people are depraved (point 4) because they would be too busy teaching Grace. This makes women seem weak, misinformed and only good for being a wife and a mother, which, of course, seems to involve predominantly sex. Odd that Mark Driscoll teaches so much about sex, ain’t it? While some will take issue with the idea of an God who is Male-and-Female, I note the role of Wisdom and Logos in the Divine as well as Genesis 1 and that particular passage in Galatians.

I have two daughters and a son and all will be valued in Church, in the Body of Christ, in the Bride of Christ for what they do, not for the body parts they were born with.

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February 1st, 2012

John Piper proves Protestantism needs more of Mary: “God Gave Christianity a ‘Masculine Feel’”

“God revealed Himself in the Bible pervasively as king not queen; father not mother,” Piper said at this year’s annual pastors conference hosted by the Desiring God ministry. “Second person of the Trinity is revealed as the eternal Son not daughter; the Father and the Son create man and woman in His image and give them the name man, the name of the male.” (here)

It is obvious that John Piper doesn’t remember all the times that God took on motherly characteristics or that Jesus is called Wisdom… the divine feminine. Or that at some points in Church history, picturing the Spirit as a woman was okay…

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This sorta of stuff bothers me… You?

September 21st, 2011

John Piper: I Was Racist

I am not going to say much, but, just saying -

Which is one reason this book focuses so heavily on the gospel of Jesus Christ. I owe my life and hope to the gospel. Without it I would still be strutting with racist pride, or I would be suffering the moral paralysis of “white guilt.” But the gospel has an answer to both pride and guilt. I hope this book makes that plain.

John Piper: I Was Racist | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction.

July 1st, 2011

Farewell @JohnPiper

Or maybe not. We all slip up and say stupid things. John is not inerrant, just a little creepy today. His statement here is just a bit odd, perverse even, but in trying to make an deeply theological analogy one should look not to twitter but maybe a tome. I hope that people give him the time to explain – well, more time than Piper gave to Rob Bell.

I hope that if I ever say something utterly depraved or stupid, even if I knew what I was supposed to mean, that others would treat me better than people are going to treat Piper.

June 7th, 2011

Why This Baptist Thinks that Rick Warren Could Learn From Catholic Elizabeth Johnson

The other day, Joel posted on Rick Warren basically submitting himself to an Inquisition by that Torquemada himself Piper.

I prefer my theologians to be 3 things: Intelligent. Bold. And lastly and most importantly, HUMBLE. James Hal Cone may seem abrasive in my writing, but he is a very humble man, and he has accepted criticism. That is why I like him.

Elizabeth Johnson has joined my list.

I write these observations in the spirit of the Egyptian bishop Athanasius. I’ve always appreciated his words, written during the conflict that ensued after the Council of Nicea when three groups contended vociferously over the right way to express Jesus Christ’s divine identity. Athanasius, who upheld the homoousios (one in being) teaching of the Council, noted that his party and the homoiousios party (similar in being), originally perceived as opponents, were actually on the same side as compared with the subordinationist Arian position. In the effort to forge unity, he wrote: those, however, who accept everything else that was defined at Nicea, and doubt only about the homoousios, must not be treated as enemies; nor do we here attack them as Ario-maniacs, nor as opponents of the Fathers; but we discuss the matter with them as brothers with brothers, who mean what we mean, and dispute only about the words. (De Synodis 41)

To read the rest, go here at Political Jesus.