Cover of The Urantia Book
According to the Urantia Book, Jesus and the Spirit are one and the same.
In a recent discussion with some, errm, “scholars” of the FER (Fifth Epochal Revelation, or Uranta Book), they pointed out that Jesus was Spirit, and one of the minor Galactic Deities. This is because Jesus “lives in us”.
I did not even attempt to deal with the ridiculousness of the “minor galactic deity” bit. However, the Bible certain teaches that Jesus was a man, died, and was resurrected in Bodily form (he touched, was touched, was seen, spoke, ate, etc), so we say Jesus is still human, seated at the right hand of the father.
So, this occurs often, even “normal” Christians do not understand that Jesus has a body, and as such he can not live inside your body. That’s just logically and physically impossible. So the orthodox teaching is that the Spirit, a separate person of the Trinity is the one who is within us, and makes Christ known to us, and Christ brings us to the Father. This is found particularly in John 14 and 16.
Anyway, I asked the “Scholar” to prove from the Bible that Jesus and the Spirit were one, even after explaining to him the relevant verses in John, He STILL wouldnt believe me, and this was his response:
Briefly, The Holy Spirit (mentioned extensively throughout all of the Bible) is a Spirit of God with a feminine, or Motherly Nature. Jesus Christ stated that God the Paradise Universal Father is Spirit; and He is Fatherly Spirit. Jesus Christ is also He; as He Incarnated here as a male Son of God and Son of Man. Jesus is still 100% Spirit God and 100% Spirit Man. None of these three Spirit Personality Deities are mere physical human male or female bodies ! Our human destiny is also to be 100% Godly perfected and 100% Spirit (and male spirit nature) Son of God or 100% Spirit (and female spirit nature) Son of God on Paradise with these Deities. Both men and women here are classified as (potentially ascending) Sons of God; the Daughters of God are the many types of angels, super-angels, heavenly hosts, ministering Spirits of the Holy Infinite Spirit .
Here are some verses to reflect upon:
1. Look up scriptures that include these phrases
“the Spirit of the Lord”
“the Spirit of Jesus”
“the Spirit of Christ”
“the Spirit of Jesus Christ”, and
“the Spirit of [God's] Son”.
“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal.4:4-7)
“For I know that this shall turn to my salvation (blessings, deliverance, and provision) through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ.” Philippians 1:19
2. and some from my NOW (New Old Word) spiritual HighLights …
98. For it pleased THE FATHER that IN CHRIST JESUS ALL OF GOD’S FULLNESS IS! Colos 1:19
97. &100. I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE! (JESUS speaking) John 10:30<p>
237. YOU are not only in the flesh, as THE SPIRIT OF GOD INDWELLS YOU !!
(HERE AND NOW and WITHIN YOU !!) Rom 8:9<p>
241. GOD’S Glorious SPIRIT IN the INNER MAN strengthens us to have faith
such that JESUS CHRIST may DWELL IN our hearts; that we KNOW the transcendent eternal LOVE of JESUS CHRIST; and WE SHALL sometime be filled with all the fullness of GOD! Eph 3:16,17,19<p>
376. (JESUS) THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH DWELLS WITH YOU AND SHALL BE IN YOU FOREVER!! (in addition to the Holy Spirit) John 14:16,17<p>
380. (JESUS) YOU LIVE IN ME; LET ME LIVE IN YOU. John 15:4<p> ["ME" - Jesus Christ ! not the same as the Holy Spirit Who was and is always here with us !]
359. (JESUS) If a man loves Me, he will keep My Words; and My FATHER will
LOVE him, and WE WILL COME INTO HIM, and make OUR HOME WITH HIM !! John 14:23<p> (as Two Spirits in One and Three in One Spirits; Jesus still in a limited human body could not do that ! Infinite difference !)
381. (JESUS) YOU SHALL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU ARE IN ME, AND I AM IN YOU. (Thus, through JESUS, YOU ARE IN THE FATHER OF ALL; HE IS IN YOU !!) John 14:20<p>
479. SEE! I stand at the door and knock; if ANY man hear My Voice and opens the door, I WILL COME IN TO HIM, AND WILL SUP WITH HIM, AND HE WITH ME.
93. …and he who receives Me (JESUS) receives HIM who sent Me! Mat 10:40<p>
304. Your heart was sometimes dark, NOW it is full of Light of the Lord;
BEHAVE AS CHILDREN OF LIGHT!!! Because of this LIGHT WITHIN YOU, you should strive for goodness, righteousness and Truth. Eph. 5:8,9<p>
469. (JESUS) I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, even to the ends of the earth!!!
471. REJOICE IN THE LORD ALWAYS …THE LORD IS AT HAND ! (HERE AND NOW!!)
483. CRY OUT AND SHOUT! GREAT IS THE HOLY ONE (JESUS)…AMONG US!!!
177. FEAR NOT: for I AM WITH YOU; I will…bring My sons from afar, and My
daughters from the ends of the earth; even EVERY ONE who is Called by My Name; for I have created
him for My Glory, I have formed him; yes, I have made him. Isa 43:5,6,7<p>
379. (JESUS) I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD: HE WHO FOLLOWS ME shall not walk
in darkness, but SHALL HAVE THE LIGHT OF LIFE!!! John 8:12<p>
409. (JESUS)…he who SEES ME SEES HIM who sent Me. I AM COME A LIGHT into the world. ( ! ! ! ) John 12:45,46<p>
484. BEHOLD ( S E E ! ) YOUR GOD ! …FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND!
Isa 40:9 Rev 22:10<p>
Now, anyone else see the problems here?
1. In context these can refer to “The Holy Spirit” (a distinct person of the Trinity to Jesus), the “nature and disposition of Jesus/The Father”, etc.
The rest do not show anything other than It is the “Spirit” that lives within us. None of these verses show that Jesus and the Spirit are one.
Ironically, the FER teaches that there is a Trinity; Father, Son, Spirit, but that the Spirit and Jesus are one.. which makes it not a trinity at all. Mental. Joel L Watts mental.
I also found this, from a previous email with “the scholar”, to give you some more background:
Geoff, Please peruse Jesus’ words in John 16. Jesus did not say “another”; in 16:7 Jesus says that He will return to the Father God; and that He will send the “He” — “the Comforter.” Who is that? Jesus explains in 16:13 that He is “The Spirit of Truth” and “He will guide you into All Truth” – into God the Universal Father. Note that The Spirit of Truth is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source (with the Son) of all life and all mind levels on earth; the Spirit of God is mentioned in Gen 1 – on. Technically, the Holy Spirit is She, God the Son is He and God the Father is He. The word for the Holy Spirit is feminine in the Bible.
Before I go more into the next part of your one paragraph, I should state that our Christ is an Eternal, Paradise-level Creator Son of God Who was always Coordinate Deity and One with God the Universal Father on infinite Paradise. “Let US “Elohim”(plural Deity)” make mankind in OUR own image. Our Creator Father-Son Christ came out from timeless and spaceless Eternal Paradise about 450 billion years ago and started creating our local universe which will have ten million human inhabited worlds when completed in this first Supreme-level age –aka the Grand Universe epoch – of maybe one trillion years total. God did not give our Master Jesus Christ full Deity Power and full Father-Son-Spirit Presence to all humans and beings until Jesus Christ Incarnated as Creator Son of God and Completed His Life here also as all Spirit-perfected Son of Man here on Earth, and all in/as One perfect Divine-Human Eternal Personality. (Our Creator Father Jesus Christ is infinitely far above being limited now to being in a gross 6ft 200lb physical body ! No beds and no toilets are needed on any of the higher Heavens; and certainly not on infinite, eternal Paradise ! How could Jesus instantly go into millions of stars (suns) and adjust its 35 million degree interior fusion process if He were still in a body of flesh ? How could his (as you allege) “two human ears” hear all the prayers of (roughly) seven billion/world X 10 million worlds = seven million billion or seven quadrillion or 7 X 10 to the 15th power different humans and beings, and instantly change each prayer/request/worship to the best instant Spirit forms to be shared with the Universal Father-Infinite I AM …IF Jesus Christ were just now using a limited human body ?? Read in the Bible where Jesus came back to earth in a higher Spirit-soul form to many humans after Jesus’ physical death by crucifixion for about 50 days before then making his Spirit Ascent back to the Universal Father on Paradise, receiving ALL the Power and Fullness of God to us in His/our local universe; and sending Himself (and God) flooding down upon ALL humans on earth as the One Holy Father-Son-Spirit of Truth to eternally Lead and Guide us here and forevermore into All Truth: GOD. Read where this briefly returning, resurrected (by Himself as He said !) Jesus Christ camke out of the tomb and said “Touch Me not” ( as He only was made to look as a physical human to not scare or confuse most humans) Later Jesus in this temporary Spirit-soul-body looking form (actually 7 soul forms, instantly changeable by Jesus) came right through a locked door made of “solid” wood ! (all matter here is actually mostly empty space on the sub-atomic level)