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May 7th, 2011

Should Protestants disown Luther in an Ecumenical Dialogue?

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There is something to be said about an ecumenical dialogue, but would it be ecumenical if one side had to disown their originators?

In the end, the most controversial words of the interview, which, for the German media, were these:
It is time that those on the Protestant side of the argument completely dissociate themselves from Luther’s view that the pope is the Antichrist. Because that was not intended for the Pope as an individual Christian. [It meant that] The Catholic Church was to be considered thus in her self-image. This can not be dismissed as a time-related controversy. We need to move on from the shadows of our denominational perspective on the Church’s history.
The words of the bishop have been heavily criticized – including by Catholics (of course) who view them as somewhat quaint. No Protestant says that today! Sorry, we know that Protestantism is not in the best shape in the nation of Luther and Melanchton, but it does not matter: plenty of Protestants around the world (go ask the dozens of millions of new Evangelicals in Latin America) do hold Luther’s view of the Holy Roman and Apostolic See faithfully.

via RORATE CÆLI: They could start by disowning Luther.

I’m not sure if I detect sarcasm or not, but many Protestants still consider Rome the Great Whore of Babylon and the Pope, at the very least, an antichrist. But for Lutherans today, I suspect, it was a time controversy and well suited to the book of Revelation. I am not saying it was accurately applied by any means.

Anyway, just a conversation starter.

Of course, I don’t ‘own’ Luther so, you know, I have no problem ‘disowning him’ at times. Usually I do so by speaking about his drinking habits.

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October 27th, 2010

Leviticus as the Center of Jewish-Christian Interfaith Dialogue

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Part of the assignment in Old Testament class is to write a response to Erich Zenger‘s article (warning, PDF) on the above mentioned issue. How can I response to Zenger? But, this is my rough draft, which I thought I might share:

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There is little doubt that Fr. Zenger is right that Christians rarely see anything more in Leviticus than a ‘what we are not’ view; however, I am unsure that we can so roundly disconnect ourselves from the holiness codes contained therein in our modern world. We know that Leviticus is absolute on its requirements to put to death homosexuals (Lev 20.13), patriots (Lev. 20.2-3, LXX), and unruly children (Lev. 20.9), and while Zenger makes good points that the idea of purity can and should be extended to ecological concerns, I am unsure as to the feasibility of taking one passage of a book as relevant and another passage of the same book as irrelevant.  Granted, while the whole notion of a canon-within-a-canon is reprehensible, it is easily enough seen that we make one for ourselves.  But, can Leviticus, the center of the Torah and ancient-Jewish cultic life draw Christians and modern Jews together?

While I think that the purity codes of Leviticus may serve to show a mutual connection to one another, especially in the area of stranger/foreigner and how we treat Creation, I think that the book serves to further the dialogue of just what our center pieces mean as well as our interpretation of Scripture. For my faith, I see Christ as the Incarnation of Torah and within Him the fleshing out, if you will, of the holiness codes which establish boundaries of righteousness and unrighteousness. Christ doesn’t remove those boundaries (Rev 22.11), but by His act of faithfulness creates a means to cleanse the unrighteousness not just maintain separation. By examining the cultic practices of Leviticus, I believe we see the central role which God played for the Jews, and more than that, the roll in which their active and ongoing daily responses to YWHW played. It was a grand liturgy with God as the leader and the congregation clearly marked and defined by their responses, which generally was physical instead of verbal. Zenger notes that many assume Christianity to be led ‘as a system of dogmas.’ Perhaps by examining Leviticus and understanding that for this community of Jews, the Law was not something to be examined one day a week, but lived daily. This might lead to a revolution for many Christians and encompass what a friend of mine once wrote, “Real Christianity is a life that is lived according to the doctrine of which our faith consists.” (Mike Radcliff, 2008). Christianity is not a set of dogmas, but a life to be lead daily as a response to the call of a holy God, just as Leviticus shows us.

Secondly, and maybe even more importantly, reading Leviticus with the Jews in our Scriptural community, or us with them, will help us in determining better interpretative methods for ‘hard words.’ As I noted before, there are calls for sanctions that we would find rather ruthless by modern standards and yet, Leviticus is every bit a part of our common canon. Further, the cultic sacrifices expressly applied to the Jews are simply not fulfilled and yet Judaism no longer wrestles with them. Further, for many Jews, Leviticus is less than literal but every bit as historical. For more conservative Christians, reading Leviticus in a community which included Jewish contributors might help us to understand better these portions of Scripture and those such as Genesis 1-9 (a section which Zenger notes several times as important to Leviticus). This inter-faith dialogue should prevent a closer communication between them and us, us and them, and more ecumenicalism, something I think that the late priest would have hoped we would take from his article.

While I disagree with some of Zenger conclusions, over all I do think that Leviticus can serve to draw the two communities together without sacrificing our own cultic practices.

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October 14th, 2010

There are approximately 38,000 Christian denominations and only one John 17

Thanks to Stuart for this,

Salem News today has this article:

During the past nineteen hundred years over four thousand different Christian religious denominations, organizations, and movements, have evolved in the world. These four thousand we call main line groups. Go outside of these main line movements and the number of groups cannot be counted.

A great number of these main line groups have developed their own individual plans of salvation.

Between these four thousand movements we estimate somewhere between one hundred and two hundred different plans of salvation are believed to be the true salvation plan of God.

….continue reading

You should read his commentary on the link above. He also has another article which calls for unity against Islam. We forget that the fastest growing religion in the world is not Islam, but Christianity. It is often under reported (pick your reason), but in fact, Christianity is exploding in places where it is facing the toughest persecution. Pakistan, India and other places are seeing Christianity rise. The only commonality there, for an enemy, is sin.

Unfortunately, in the West, we’ve had the freedom to combat the only common enemy – each other. Sin was removed from the individual and placed upon doctrines and dogmas. And for what good purpose? Christianity is divided and is continuing to divide further and to what end? What has our doctrinal disputations accomplished? Our hierarchical structures? Have we done the good works of Christ? Have we sought unity? Have we kept to the bare minimum of essentials, and in all things, ‘charity’?

“My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you. All who are mine belong to you, and you have given them to me, so they bring me glory. Now I am departing from the world; they are staying in this world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, you have given me your name; now protect them by the power of your name so that they will be united just as we are. (John 17:9-11 NLT)

I guess instead of overcoming the world, we are really overcoming Christ.

November 13th, 2009

More Reasons for an NLT Ecumenical Version

I’m nagging, I know, but…

The Episcopal Church has turned to I Maccabees in it’s Daily Office as of today. Much of the book will not be read, in fact only the first four chapters will be. It is one of several occasions in which the books of the Apocrypha are part of the church’s reading (Sirach being the most thoroughly read). For the Bible study in which I am engaged, I have been reading through some selections from II Maccabees. So, to refer to my post’s title, I am deep in the Apocryphal waters as it were.

via The Apocryphal Waters « O God, come to my assistance. (Also see here)

November 11th, 2009

Examples from the New Living Translation’s Deuterocanon

Below are three less than random examples from the NLT’s Deuterocanon.

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November 11th, 2009

Psalm 151: A New Translation

A few years ago, when I taught a youth Sunday School class, I asked them to read Psalm 151 in their bibles for next Sunday. Surprisingly, over half of them did. Of course, Psalm 151 is not printed in the King James Version….

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November 11th, 2009

Thoughts on the NLT Catholic Reference Bible and a Request to Tyndale

As many of readers may suspect, I greatly enjoy the New Living Translation and I make use of the Deuterocanonical books in certain aspects of my studies and in daily readings. Recently, I purchased a copy of what Tyndale billed as the Catholic Reference Edition (I’ll call it NLT:C), which was geared towards Catholics.

No, I’m not a Catholic, but like the wide majority of people who claim the name of Christ, I like the Deuterocanon/Apocrypha for various reason. (The Anglicans, Protestants for now, actually use it in their liturgy.) For me, I have yet to fathom a 400 year span in which God was silent, so reading some of the books currently hidden, is refreshing and indeed, adds greatly to the New Testament.

Back to this edition of the NLT. It is still sold, in some places, and on line, but it didn’t meet with praise from the Catholic Church. Nor was it given approval by either Rome or the U.S. Catholic Bishops, which is needed in Catholicism. This lack of approval no doubt contributed to the lack of acceptance of this edition.

Of course, so did calling it ‘Catholic.’

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November 27th, 2008

Pastor nails it on the head – Coexisting is fine, but that doesn't mean that we give up Christ.

I didn’t know Lutherans could be this ‘intolerant’… Seriously, though, I have seen a growing number of these bumper stickers around Charleston (WV) lately. Believe it or not, we have a large community involved in the Council of Churches here in the big city of Charleston, WV, which feeds the idea that Christianity is nothing special. As a matter of fact, the Executive Director would rather quote from The Qu’ran than from the bible.

A few days ago I was stopped behind a car at a red light. The car had a rather unique bumper sticker. I could see four religious symbols on it. Each stood for four different world religions. While waiting at the light, I tried to figure out just what the bumper sticker was attempting to say with the way the symbols were arranged. Then it came to me. They were arranged in such a way, that if you looked just right, you saw the word ‘Coexist.’ I have to admit, it was pretty ingenious.

We live in a woed with multitude of religions. Often in some cases these religions don’t get along with each other. History has even shown us that adherents of the various religions have been known to war against each other, or persecute each other.

So, in one sense, I can say that I agree with that bumper sticker. In a world filled with suspicion and violence, it is important for the various world religions to learn to ‘coexist’ with each other. Religious violence and persecution are never acceptable.

However, coexistence can never mean treating all religions as equally true. To do this ultimately does an injustice to these religions. Take Christianity for instance. I am a Christian. In particular, I am a Christian pastor whose life is dedicated to proclaiming a specific message: the message about Jesus. Jesus himself states, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.” His early followers knew exactly what he was implying. A few years later the Apostle Peter stated the following about Jesus: “And there is salvation in no other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” And, as far as truth goes, the Apostle Paul stated that “truth is in Jesus.”

So, if the bumper sticker means that the various religions should live peaceably alongside each other, then I whole heartedly agree. No violence should ever be done in the name of religion. No person should ever be forced to embrace a specific religion. No one should ever be treated as a lesser person because of what he or she believes.

If, however, the bumper sticker means that all religions lead to God, and that each religion should admit this, then I could not disagree more. Christianity has always claimed Jesus to be God’s one way of dealing with the salvation of the world, because it is Jesus who has dealt with the world’s problem of sin. Christianity has always proclaimed that God has come among us in the person of Jesus and that in Jesus he has taken the sin of the world upon himself. Christianity has always proclaimed that in Jesus the sin of the entire world has been taken away through his death on the cross. In addition it has proclaimed that this Jesus truly rose from the dead with the guarantee that all who trust in his forgiveness have both forgiveness and eternal life. This is the message the Christian Church has shared with the world from its beginning. At its best Christianity doesn’t force the world to believe its message, but simply shares the message of Christ with the world.

I’m willing to coexist peacefully and lovingly with people from all religions and all walks of life. Yet, as a Christian, and as a pastor, I must continue to proclaim the truth of Jesus as God’s one, only, and more than sufficient answer to the world’s problem of sin.

Pastor Douglas Morton is pastor of St. John’s Lutheran Church, Marengo. His email is pastor@forgiveninchrist.com.

via The East Iowa Herald Pastor Doug Morton: Coexistence and Truth

November 24th, 2008

Pope Questions Interfaith Dialogue

via Pope Questions Interfaith Dialogue – NYTimes.com

ROME — In comments on Sunday that could have broad implications in a period of intense religious conflict, Pope Benedict XVI cast doubt on the possibility of interfaith dialogue but called for more discussion of the practical consequences of religious differences.

The pope’s comments came in a letter he wrote to Marcello Pera, an Italian center-right politician and scholar whose forthcoming book, “Why We Must Call Ourselves Christian,” argues that Europe should stay true to its Christian roots. A central theme of Benedict’s papacy has been to focus attention on the Christian roots of an increasingly secular Europe.

In quotations from the letter that appeared on Sunday in Corriere della Sera, Italy’s leading daily newspaper, the pope said the book “explained with great clarity” that “an interreligious dialogue in the strict sense of the word is not possible.” In theological terms, added the pope, “a true dialogue is not possible without putting one’s faith in parentheses.”

But Benedict added that “intercultural dialogue which deepens the cultural consequences of basic religious ideas” was important. He called for confronting “in a public forum the cultural consequences of basic religious decisions.”

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the pope’s comments seemed intended to draw interest to Mr. Pera’s book, not to cast doubt on the Vatican’s many continuing interreligious dialogues.

“He has a papacy known for religious dialogue; he went to a mosque, he’s been to synagogues,” Father Lombardi said. “This means that he thinks we can meet and talk to the others and have a positive relationship.”

To some scholars, the pope’s remarks seemed aimed at pushing more theoretical interreligious conversations into the practical realm.

“He’s trying to get the Catholic-Islamic dialogue out of the clouds of theory and down to brass tacks: how can we know the truth about how we ought to live together justly, despite basic creedal differences?” said George Weigel, a Catholic scholar and biographer of Pope John Paul II.

This month, the Vatican held a conference with Muslim religious leaders and scholars aimed at improving ties. The conference participants agreed to condemn terrorism and protect religious freedom, but they did not address issues of conversion and of the rights of Christians in majority Muslim countries to worship.

The church is also engaged in dialogue with Muslims organized by the king of Saudi Arabia, a country where non-Muslims are forbidden from worshiping in public.

By RACHEL DONADIO

September 30th, 2008

Rick Warren, Interfaith Activist

Eboo Patel: Rick Warren, Interfaith Activist – On Faith at washingtonpost.com.

Rick Warren, Interfaith Activist

Rick Warren is our new Billy Graham – at the center of not only his own Christian tradition, but of American civil religion as well. Churches follows his direction (most recently into Rwanda), and political candidates seek his blessing (Exhibit A: The Saddleback Forum).

There has been a lot of talk about the risks that Warren has taken – inviting the pro-choice Obama to address a decidedly pro-life gathering on the topic of AIDS, for example.

Another risk he is taking – more subtle, perhaps, but equally profound – is around religious diversity.

Last week at the Clinton Global Initiative, Warren was asked how “the church” could help to solve poverty. His response was to rattle off the numbers of Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Christians in the world – in that order – and make a plea that the public and private sectors take seriously “the faith sector as the third leg of the stool of successful development”.

Warren consistently used the language of a religious pluralist. He spoke of “mosques, temples and churches” as central to the life of villages in the developing world. He underscored the fact that there are huge numbers of people of faith in the world, and huge numbers of houses of worship in places where clinics, banks and schools don’t exist. Those people of faith can be trained to be the arms and legs of any development plan, and those houses of worship can double as clinics, banks and schools.

This is a big deal, because it signals an important turn in the American Evangelical tradition – from viewing people of other faiths primarily as lost souls requiring conversion to viewing them as partners in the plan to make earth more humane and just. “Progressive Evangelicals” like Jim Wallis, Brian McLaren and Tony Campolo (read an interview here with Campolo on interfaith cooperation), have long been involved in interfaith efforts, but the mainline of that tradition has always been more wary. That could be changing.

I caught up with Warren after the panel and asked him directly how he thought about religious diversity. He talked to me about his friendship with his Muslim neighbor, and about how excited he was to speak at the upcoming MPAC conference in December. He was keenly aware of the important role that Muslims played in helping victims during the genocide in Rwanda, and he was engaging that community in his current efforts in that country.

That approach is American pragmatism at its best: a visionary leader engaging all possible partners in his plan to transform earth.

When I asked Warren to name something that he admired about Muslims, he answered without hesitation: “you people are not afraid to talk about God, he said with a smile. It’s always, ‘God willing’, or ‘God bless’, or ‘Thanks be to God.’ That’s something I admire, because I come from the same place.”

That is American religion at its best.

Let’s hope the church and the country follow.

September 22nd, 2008

Why is Rowan Williams going to Lourdes?

Why is Rowan Williams going to Lourdes? :: Damian Thompson.

This is interesting for the Anglicans out there… I guess what mystifies me is that Rowan Williams seems to support homosexuality as well as female priests but yet has taken great strides in associating with Rome.

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