The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., has hanged an effigy of President Barack Obama from a gallows on its front lawn, a move DWOC pastor Terry Jones said was in response to Obama’s recent endorsement of same-sex marriage, as well as his stance on abortion and what Jones called his “appeasing of radical Islam.”
I guess burning the Quran was not enough. Good thing he is a Christian, eh?
This stuff worries me. Where does he find license for this either in Scripture or common sense?
Oddly enough, Jones has contracted some sort of Stockholm Syndrome as he seems to be using the same tactics of those whom he despises.
Oh, I’m sorry, but that’s how I read the headline…
Pastor Terry Jones has once again threatened to burn Qurans, this time in protest of Iran’s continued imprisonment of Christian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani. The Florida minister, whose previous protests attracted violent reaction, tells CP why he is once more taking such a controversial stance. (here)
This man is not a pastor, and I would question his Christianity.
Most will focus on the fact that this is considered the most Islamic city in country, but…
In Dearborn, Mich., anti-Islam Pastor Terry Jones and an assistant were ordered to jail tonight after they refused to pay a $1 peace bond to hold a rally at the largest mosque in North America, the Detroit Free Press reports.
After a two-day trial-like hearing, a jury sided with prosecutors and agreed that Jones would likely “breach the peace” with his planned rally outside the Islamic Center of America. Authorities argued that a riot could erupt.
Prosecutors had estimated the cost of additional security at about $46,000. But the judge set the so-called peace bond at just $1.
While Rodney tries to take a snipe at me, undermining the seriousness of his post, he goes further in his attempt at defending Terry Jones and attacking both Christian and myself, proving once again that Rodney will by nature take the contrarian position on any and everything.
What Rodney doesn’t get in his rush to try to make a point is that neither Christian nor I are saying that Terry Jones is the cause of all the angry feelings towards the United States coming from the Afghanistan people. What I am saying is that Terry Jones is causing the recent deaths. Let’s explore this a bit.
First, the angry feelings predate Terry Jones. Second, with the recent civilian deaths, the anger and frustration over American occupation is growing exponentially (read Rodney’s post for a good treatment of this). Third, what Terry Jones is doing is allowing the leaders of the frustration to blow the lid off of the people’s rational and natural frustration. The frustrated people are looking for any excuse to protest and to riot.
Did Princip actually cause World War One? No. Is he given the credit for doing so, by his actions of assassinating the Archduke? Yup. The problem is, is that Austria-Hungry was looking for a reason to launch a war. While this action was in of it self insignificant to the events which surrounded it, it was used as a catalyst to launch a war which would not end until 1945 if you are being conservative. Terry Jones is making himself a catalyst. Therefore, he is guilty of causation.
Terry knows that his burning of the Qur’an will causes deaths and yet, he’ll continue to provoke the actions. While he is not the cause of the angry feelings, he is purposely putting himself into a situation to push people over the edge. On the other side is the vile depravity which we have seen – deaths of innocents.
Even with his attempted snipes, he and I agree on a whole host of these issues.
Let me make this clear: There is nothing wrong for standing up for the Cause of Christ, for the Church, for the Scriptures – but when you purposely attack another, you become what you supposedly hate. What he has done now is to cause the death of innocents because he wasn’t following Christ. He is rejecting Christ.
An American Christian preacher who caused an international uproar last year by threatening to burn the Koran has put himself back in the spotlight after incinerating Islam’s holy book — again with deadly consequences.
Thousands of protesters in northern Afghanistan, enraged over news that the Florida pastor Terry Jones had overseen a torching of the Koran, stormed a United Nations compound on Friday, killing at least seven U.N. staff.
On March 20, he presided over what he called an “International Judge the Koran Day” in which he supervised the burning of the book in front of some 50 people.
Video posted on the website of his Dove World Outreach Center church showed a kerosene-soaked book going up in bright flames in a metal fire pit similar to those often found in backyards and patios, but located inside the church.
Watching Morning Joe, Pat Buchanan (who I agree with on more than a few things, which may surprise you) was speaking about the President getting involved and waiting, two years down the road for the Courts to either affirm or negate his actions. Should the President get involved in this? Should he send Federal Marshals to stop Terry Jones from burning the Qur’an which will put American service men and women in jeopardy, and more than a few civilians including Christian Missionaries?
The Florida pastor whose plan to burn Qurans on Sept. 11 generated worldwide outrage among Muslims and pressure by the U.S. government to relent said late Thursday that he might not call off the protest after all.
Pastor Terry Jones told NBC News that “we are a little back to square one” after a supposed deal involving a proposed Islamic cultural center in New York evaporated.
At a press conference Thursday afternoon, Jones had said he was canceling the Quran burning because a Muslim imam had assured him that the proposed Islamic center could be moved away from the World Trade Center site in return.
“We have not canceled the burning on Saturday, we have suspended it, until we get confirmation on the info we were given today, said Wayne Sapp, associate pastor of Dove World Outreach Center.(here)
Wow. Is there no end to the insanity and unChristian behavior of this man?
There is also a video of him saying that he was ‘just as committed’ to not burning the Qur’an as he was to doing so.
What has happened here, folks, is that he has gotten caught up in Sarah Palin and John Boehner’s connecting of the two and though he could further his political capital at the expense of the name of Christ.
Surrounded by a cadre of ‘ers’ (truthers, etc…), Terry Jones announced that he is canceling the burning of the Qu’ran… and that the Imam of the New York City Mosque is moving new building somewhere else. Except the Imam says that he ain’t.
The pastor planning to burn Qurans on the Sept. 11 anniversary said Thursday that he had called off the event after being given assurances that the Muslim group seeking to build an Islamic center near the World Trade Center site would move the project. (here)
The Imam has said that there is no deal….
Of course, Terry is saying that this is a sign from God… Why does God always get dragged into these things…
Oh, and since when do we hold freedoms hostage? After Palin and Boehner connected the two, it seems that that it suddenly is connected?
Examining the recent controversies with the mosque and Pastor Bonfire, Michael comes to his own conclusion that we must submit to Islam. I generally like Michael, finding his character admirable, but this?
Do me a favor. Read the post. Tell him exactly how wrong he is.
The story of what happened spread quickly all through Ephesus, to Jews and Greeks alike. A solemn fear descended on the city, and the name of the Lord Jesus was greatly honored. Many who became believers confessed their sinful practices. A number of them who had been practicing sorcery brought their incantation books and burned them at a public bonfire. The value of the books was several million dollars. (Act 19:17-19 NLT)
Today, a commentator tried to tell me that the above passage gave license to what Terry Jones of Dove World Outreach Center is planning on doing. I’ll let you read it again.
First, was it a political statement?
No. Is Terry Jones trying to make a political statement? Well, more of less considering that he is burning the Talmud and trying to sell his church building for a quick 1.1 million dollars and a few t-shirts on the side.
Was the book burning by well-established Christians?
No. They were recent converts who repented and due to their conversion, they not only had no use for their old sacred books, but didn’t want others to have them as well. Is Terry Jones a recent convert from Islam? No. So, does Terry fall into this? No. What is Terry’s excuse? Why shucks, those people burn the flag and the bible.
Again, see the difference?
Honestly, if people would read the bible to be transformed by the bible instead of reading the bible to transform the bible…
Sometimes, I look at that name and wonder just how off-putting their actions are.
A commentator on T.C.’s post left a link to this article. Could it be that Terry Jones is out to make some more money?
According to the 2006 tax return—the most recent tax return available on Guidestar.org—filed by Jones’ church, the Dove World Outreach Center, “program services” accounted for 30.5 percent of the church’s expenses, while “Administrative costs” accounted for 69.5 percent.
According to the article, he sells propaganda via his website ‘islamisofthedevil.com’ (100 years ago, it would have been Catholicismisofthedevil.com), including t-shirts, his own books, and mugs. Because, you know, there is nothing like getting up in the morning , drinking a cup of joe from this:
Oh, and for some reason, the church is for sale? (There should be a joke in there somewhere…)
And an online real estate listing may indicate Jones is looking for other ways to drum up some cash. According to the listing on real estate website AllisonAbles.com, the Dove World Church is for sale for 2.9 million. The listing says the property has been “reduced $1.1 million for a quick sale”.
He also operates an ‘apostolic academy’, presumably with the entry-level course, Firestarters 101. $500 for a student.
Though the church once enjoyed tax-exempt status, it lost part of that status this spring, according to the Alachua County Property Appraiser’s office. A representative from the appraiser’s office visited Dove World Outreach Center March 25th, and determined the church must pay taxes on the 1,700 square feet of its property that is being used for the Jones’ for-profit business. The church will pay $3,200 in property taxes this year.
Just one thing comes to mind, well one thing first, because there are a lot of things coming to mind (and light) about Jones,
In the Temple area he saw merchants selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifices; he also saw dealers at tables exchanging foreign money. Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables. Then, going over to the people who sold doves, he told them, “Get these things out of here. Stop turning my Father’s house into a marketplace!” (Joh 2:14-16 NLT)