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  1. paultmccain

    I can hardly imagine a more absurd waste of time and energy than the KJVO issue. Anyone who has taken even the most simple of introductions to textual criticism realizes that there is not a single Christian doctrine that is contradicted or denied when using something other than a text from the Majority Text tradition. This is a great example of a little knowledge being very dangerous. I would sooner have the KJVO crowd taking up the cause for a flat earth or a geocentric solar system, than this issue.

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  2. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory

    P

    Since we believe that God’s word is inerrant (ONLY) in the original languages of Hebrew-Aramaic and Koine Greek.Do you (personally) accept that there has to be copies of copies of Greek manuscripts recording John 1:18 the exact same way that these translations and paraphrases record the passage?

    NIV, NASB, Amplified, NLT, ESV, CEV, NIRV and the TNIV.

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  3. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory

    Hi P

    I am not sure either.I guess it is possible that some of the modern English translations/paraphrases may have used the same manuscripts that Justin used. The funny thing is that concerning John 1:18 the KJVO folks have no problem with the modern English translations/paraphrases listed.For i would guess that 99.9% of them agree!

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  4. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory

    Btw: P

    This might be something that you would like to take a look at later.Dr Thomas M. Strouse was at the time (probably still is) that i attended Immanual Baptist church, the Dean and editor of the theological seminary there.

    He is KJVO and has taken up the issue of a Geocentric or stationary earth,with the revolving first and second heavens. I believe that it was the summer of 2006 during the morning adult Sunday school class,that took place in the Sanctuary for the occasion of this lesson.It was for all members and attendees of the church.I still have this same paper.The lesson was complete with a powered solar system, showing a stationary earth,with the revolving heavens.

    http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/109.pdf

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  5. Yeshua is the Lord of Glory

    Sorry P

    I am just making a correction in this part of my comment below.I meant John 1:2 not 1:18

    The funny thing is that concerning John 1:18 the KJVO folks have no problem with the modern English translations/paraphrases listed.For i would guess that 99.9% of them agree!

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  6. Rev. McCain, having come from this position, I can forcefully say that it is one based in ignorance and fear, and is a waste of time for anyone to believe, and after a while, to fight. I have yet to see a KJVO’er who can support their position without resorting to hatespeak.

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  7. Not sure, Y. We know that Irenaeus said:

    He who worketh all things in all is God, [as to the points] of what nature and how great He is, [God] is invisible and indescribable to all things which have been made by Him, but He is by no means unknown: for all things learn through His Word that there is one God the Father, who contains all things, and who grants existence to all, as is written in the Gospel: “No man hath seen God at any time, except the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father; He has declared [Him.]“

    We further know that Justin, who repeatedly called Christ the ‘second God’ or ‘another God’ used ‘God’ instead of son. The Early Church Fathers are divided on the issue, but the Old Latin, predating the Vulgate, and the Syriac, both record Son.

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