1. And for those who ask, Patristics is the study of the Church Fathers – usually from Ignatius (110) to John Damascus (750). It is important, for the Church History and Theology types, to examine them in their context to see how doctrines, such as the Trinity, developed over time.


  2. I had to laugh at the idea of Tertullian blogging. Definitely! Tertullian would not have resisted any opportunity to express his ideas.

    What an interesting thought!


  3. Oh, glad you responded. I got an email reminder, got here, and realized I forgot to bookmark this page. So many links! These links are great, though. I know Dave Armstrong has some interesting ideas, though I disagree with him a lot and then get slammed by his Catholic readers.

    Can’t wait to go through the links, though I probably can’t do that until tomorrow.


  4. Yes, Joel I read the article you suggested, plus a few… It is good to know that people really do read Tertullian! Would again, that people would read Eric Osborn’s book: Tertullian, first theologian of the West (Cambridge).
    Fr. R.


  5. I had to pick a Latin name for Latin class and was able to snatch up Tertullian before anyone else got to him. Oh yeah, and great ’round up’

  6. Pastordavidsweet

    Any quotes anyone can offer me (references) from patristics on 1 Thessalonians 5:23 or Hebrews


  7. I am not sure what exactly you are looking for, but here are just a few:

    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Irenaeus Against Heresies Book II

    For he will not possess in that case the likeness and appearance of angels, but of those souls in whom also he receives shape; just as water when poured into a vessel takes the form of that vessel, and if on any occasion it happens to congeal in it, it will acquire the form of the vessel in which it has thus been frozen, since souls themselves possess the figure[107]
    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Irenaeus Against Heresies Book V

    ); and may your spirit, and soul, and body be preserved whole without complaint to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.”[30]
    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Tertullian Against Marcion Book V

    interpret it as meaning anything rather than the substance of the flesh, (tell me) how is it that the apostle has given certain distinct names to all (our faculties), and has comprised them all in one prayer for their safety, desiring that our “spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord and Saviour (Jesus) Christ? “[725]
    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Tertullian On the Resurrection of the Flesh

    ” And as if this were not plain enough, it goes on to say: “And may your whole body, and soul, and spirit be preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord.”[337]
    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Tertullian On the Apparel of Women Book II

    also present themselves to the rising bodies, and will recognise their several places. But nothing can rise except flesh and spirit sole and pure.[70]
    1 Thess. 5:23 – NIV, NAB – in Methodius Discourse V. Thallousa

    Hence it is necessary that the perfect man offer up all, both the things of the soul and those of the flesh, so that he may be complete and not lacking. Therefore also God commands Abraham,[5]


  8. Heb. 4:12 – NIV, NAB – in Clement of Alexandria Stromata Book VII

    But we say that the fire sanctifies[54]
    Heb. 4:12 – NIV, NAB – in Origen de Principiis Book I

    Heb. 4:12 – NIV, NAB – in Origen Commentary on John Book I

    that His mouth had been set by His Father as a sharp sword, and that He was hidden under the shadow of His hand, made like to a chosen shaft and kept close in the Father's quiver, called His servant by the God of all things, and Israel, and Light of the Gentiles. The mouth of the Son of God is a sharp sword, for[161]
    Heb. 4:13 – NIV, NAB – in Tertullian An Answer to the Jews


  9. Thanks, Paul. I can only imagine the controversy that he would have engendered on a DAILY basis.


  10. Take your time, Paul – it’ll be here. I’ve not read much of Dave Armstrong – but I do know that he is a tad bit controversial at times.


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