1. Joel, you seem thoroughly confused about the Septuagint. First you give the reference Isaiah 95:5, but Isaiah has only 66 chapters, I think in LXX as well as Hebrew. I think you meant Psalm 95:5. Then you don’t realise that LXX psalm numbers and verses are different from Hebrew, and from English. The verse you are looking for is Psalm 96:5, which in NIV 2011 reads:

    For all the gods of the nations are idols,
    but the Lord made the heavens.

    Idols are not the same as demons, but the LXX translators didn’t make the whole verse up.

    Then if you someone modern to name the powers, try Walter Wink’s book Naming the Powers. But I’m not sure that I entirely buy into his theory – I would be more likely to agree with Justin and LXX that the are demonic beings.


    1. No, Peter, I’m not confused, I meant Psalm 95 – but, as I am apt to do, was thinking about something else and Isaiah came out (In fact, I was thinking about the passage in LXX Isaiah were demons are said not to be real).

      Further, I was using the NET and the NETS, in the ipad 2. Yes, I do know about the various things of the Septuagint, but usually, in the NETS, the English numbering is bracketed. But, also, I missed that by failing to scroll up just a wee bit. There is something to be said about writing after the weekend which I have had.

      I will amend the changes however, but the point still stands.

      No, you are correct – idols aren’t the same as demons, but I’m not examining the Hebrew. Justin used the blessed and inspired and more beautiful Greek 😉 (btw, much of the Septuagint language which I use is directed to Jeremy, a Hebrew Scholar. Poor guy). That book keeps coming up and I will have to read it.


  2. Pope St. Leo the Great says explicitly that Christ defeated the Devil through his death on the Cross, ransoming the human souls taken captive by the Devil and thereby defeating death. This is in the Tome but also scattered through his Nativity sermons.

    Unmasking the powers as pagan gods who are demons is common; such is what Augustine does in City of God, if I recall aright. Tertullian argues that they are either demons or glorified humans.

    David Brakke, in Demons and the Making of the Monk, points out the similarity between the demonic images found in the Desert Fathers and the images of some Egyptian gods — the demons that the monks went to the desert to fight were, in fact, the gods of the old religions. That these demons are exactly whom Christ defeated through his redemptive death and resurrection tends to be less clear, tho.


  3. MJ, Pope Leo was only making a little more explicit what the apostles taught. See Colossians 2:15 and 1 John 3:8. After reading this it should be clear that Christus Victor is in the Bible, not as the only model of the atonement but certainly as a valid one.


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