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  1. Carol

    As someone who attends Harvest Bible Chapel under Senior Pastor James MacDonald – I’m no stranger to Mark Driscoll’s preaching…..they’re friends via James’s associations with The Gospel Coalition and I’m sure from way before that. Pastor Mark preached on marriage over a weekend at HBC. I initially thought he was a good bible teacher and “friended” him on Facebook. But after the whole “effeminate worship leader” pile-on that Driscoll initiated – I’ve had cause to reconsider. When Pastor Mark came to preach at HBC, I enjoyed his session for the most part but came away feeling like I just saw a show at the Comedy Club mixed in with some Bible/God talk. And since then as I’ve progressively read his blog, other’s reviews of his teaching and books and listened to his sermons on YouTube – I have to agree with you that he’s got some deep seated issues which are hindering the good work of the Gospel that he’s trying to do. His book “Real Marriage” has really highlighted his very low opinion of women, which is unfortunate.

    All of this is to say that yes, I will join you in prayer for Mark Driscoll, his wife and kids and Mars Hill church.

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  2. Gez

    Thank God that Seattle has pastors Judah Smith and Casey Treat who are nothing like Mark Driscoll.

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    1. Craig Falvo

      What’s scary is a lot of the Pastors I know in Seattle look up to Driscoll. The last church I worked at kept asking how they could be more like MH…and it was a Lutheran church. Most people responded with, “He’s got a big church, he must be doing something right.” Whatever….

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  3. Mark is annoying and obnoxious, as well as being a bit condescending. His is extremely opinionated, and his opinions aren’t always correct.

    My first exposure to him was very positive, but as time passed, I found him more and more alienating. Overall, I find him to be a new, different kind of an extreme fundamentalist – but still an extreme fundamentalist.

    I am currently reading through his book Real Marriage. I have read my wife a couple of passages, and she has commented, “What a jerk.”

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    1. I got the same book… but haven’t read it yet. I plan on blogging through it

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      1. Carol

        Looking forward to the blogging on “Real Marriage”. I’m currently reading Tim & Kathy Keller’s “The Meaning of Marriage” and it’s a great read so far.

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    2. Carol

      When Pastor Mark came to preach on marriage at our church – he said that he was putting the “fun” back in “fundamentalist”…..oh irony…..*rueful chuckle*

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  4. Just Sayin'

    I’m just glad he’s down there and not up here.

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  5. jesuswinsforever

    Look, no one is perfect and pastor’s are human, too. Megachurch pastors are put in the spotlight, and just like celebrities this means that all of their flaws become more lucid than mine or yours do. Have grace and mercy. Calling for pray in such a condemning way comes off as judgmental and just not useful.

    I’m a Seattle-area native and am extremely familiar with Mark Driscoll, Judah Smith, and Casey Treat’s teaching – as well as many others. I do not attend any of their churches, but following most of them via vodcasts as I do with several other pastors around the world. Do I agree with 100% of what any of them say? No. And if you ever find yourself answering that question with “yes”, then you need to check your heart. The only person I can agree 100% with is Jesus.

    Jesus is always working on all of us and changing our hearts. Mark Driscoll as openly and publicly apologized and continues to in his sermons; he does not ever admit to be sinless or perfect in any way. He has strong opinions and I don’t necessarily agree with all of them, but they’re not unbiblical.

    Many issues people bring up to criticize others are secondary issues, which means that the Bible does not give a straightforward, concrete answer one way or the other. If you’re going to judge, then judge based on where the the person is at compared to where s/he started (e.g. compare vodcasts of Mark Driscoll in 2008 to 2013). Or, better yet, use Jesus as the standard and don’t forget to look in the mirror while you’re at it.

    I am a woman and I have never been offended by what Mark teaches or preaches. I am independent, well-educated, and am a leader in my place of work; I do not agree with much of what Mark preaches about a woman’s role, but that’s an opinion not a doctrinal issue. I still listen to him, because he preaches Truth: Jesus died on the cross to forgive us for our sins.

    To the blogger, I am leaving this post here because I happen to run across this in a Google search; however, I see you are continuing to take jabs at Mark Driscoll in your present posts. My suggestion: preach what you believe and let individuals decide what they want to believe – no need to target and repeatedly criticize or troll a specific pastor as it just ruins your credibility as a blogger.

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    1. You didn’t subscribe and you clearly just want to rant. That’s fine, but and I’m gonna let you finish. However, Mark doesn’t teach opinions. He teaches what he says is doctrine. It is his doctrine that you are made only to have sex and bear children.

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  6. jesuswinsforever

    It’s not a rant, really. Well… maybe it is a little unintentionally. I’m tired of seeing pastors bashed by other Christians for things that are just unnecessary. I disagree that Mark teaches that and I’ve listened to all of his vodcasts since 2008; I do not get that message at all. So, that is your opinion. Voice your opinion, but don’t voice it as fact in such a judgmental and condemning way.

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    1. No, that is actually not my open. That is stated fact – but him. Have you read his sermon on the Song of Solomon?

      If a pastor is acting to harm his congregation and others, we have a duty to call this out.

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  7. jesuswinsforever

    Your page was down for a while, so I was unable to post. I think this is where we disagree. You’re making a judgement against Mark that his heart is to harm his congregation. Rather than make that judgement in such a condescending way, why not humbly voice your own opinion? Mark has his interpretation of the purpose and role of marriage. Lay out your understanding of what he’s saying. Then, describe your view. Not in a reactionary way, but in a graceful way. The role of marriage is not a primary issue; Mark is not saying that Jesus wasn’t resurrected or that there is no hell. Please don’t make it one. That’s all I am saying. I also want to encourage you to allow people to change. Pastors are people. God’s working on them, too. The tone of what you’re presenting isn’t effective for anything other than people ranting about how they hate a guy – you’re stirring up evil and hatred in people’s hearts. Try something new.

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    1. Abuse, spiritual or otherwise, becomes a primary issue. Mark is not allowed to hide behind orthodoxy while he abuses people in the name of God.

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  8. jesuswinsforever

    :( I tried. We shall agree to disagree.

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    1. No, I’m not going to agree to disagree. That suggests our stances are on equal footing. They are not. You are wrong.

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        1. jesuswinsforever

          P.S. It actually suggests our stances are on different footing; not that they’ll equal or unequal. That’s a judgement you’ve made. Logic is on my side there.

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          1. No, Neither logis or truth is on your side here.

            But, have a blessed Easter.

  9. Tomi A

    May the grace of God continue to pursue you Joel, as well as Mark Driscoll plus all the other leaders and teachers of the Word.

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