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    or use the idea that Israel must declare Christ as Messiah because He can become Immanuel.
    There is no specific requirement that Christ be declared the Messiah by Israel – and indeed, just the opposite. End quote.

    Polycarp, just a gentle reminder that Christ and Messiah are the exact same word in two different languages. Perhaps you could word it that Jesus be declared as Messiah.

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  2. I suppose we could say Jesus Bar YHWH to be specific as to the person, while calling him the Messiah, Lord Christ Jesus when referring to Him as the Risen King sent to redeem His people.

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  3. Polycarp-

    That issue is actually beside the point of my comment. Our modern day terminology usually has one connotation for Christ and another for Messiah. This ought not be. They are the same word and mean the same thing. They are also the same person, Jesus of Nazareth.

    To answer your question, Jesus is the Christ and Messiah whether or not Israel as a nation recognizes Him as such. Further, the entire thread of Isaiah 7-12 is Messianic. Certain portions highlight the Messiah more forthright than others, but Immanuel certainly must be the Messiah, born of a virgin. While His future coming will result in His presence here on earth, He is God-with-us now, in the hearts of those who trust in Him.

    I notice you didn’t change your post, so perhaps you don’t see what I’m getting at about Messiah and Christ being the exact same word.

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  4. But Polycarp, you haven’t addressed why you would make a comment like “Israel must declare Christ as Messiah” when the two words mean the same thing? John 1:41 is pretty clear. Anytime the word Messiah is used, it is synonymous with Christ. Anytime Christ is used, Messiah is an acceptable substitute.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

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  5. Orange, I think you are focusing on some minute details here. I dod not say that Israel must declare Christ the Messiah in order for Him to be Immanuel. Others have. Focus on that.

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  6. Orange,

    Do you believe that Christ (person) has to be declared Messiah (Title) by Israel before He an be considered Immanuel and thus fulfill the prophecy in Isaiah?

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  7. Orange, I have no problem with Christ meaning Messiah, but have you noticed the name of the blog? There is a reason that I will stick to Christ.

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