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  1. Diane Renschen

    You stated that a personal relationship with Jesus is a fairly recent phenonena and unbiblical, if excluded from any notion of community. Bell states pretty much the same thing. True, the words are not found in the Bible, but did not Adam and Eve have personal relationship with God in the garden of Eden? When I pray and I God speaks to me or answers a pray or leads me, is that not indicative of a personal relationship?

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    1. Show in Scripture where an individual, personal relationship occurs

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      1. Diane Renschen

        God spoke to Abraham? Jesus speaking to disciples?

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        1. The Covenant was not made to Abraham himself, but through Abraham to all of his descendants.

          Jesus established a Church – a community, built not upon one disciple or Apostle, but upon all of them. There is nothing individualistic in Scripture

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  2. Diane Renschen

    I am not sure we are talking about the same thing. I know that I am a part of God’s family, as a Christian. But I am also an individual in that family. God knows me as an individual, as well as a member of his family, one of his children. Therefore, he can speak to me as an individual, through his Word, through my pastor, and so on, as he guides me and works in the life that he wants. That seems to be pretty personal, to me. Dallas Willard has book out, “Hearing God”, about developing a conversational relationship with God. Do you disagree with this?

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    1. There is a difference between a relationship with God made through the Christ to an individual and a ‘personal relationship’ which produces salvation. No individual is saved as an individual.

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