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  1. It does seem sort of arbitrary to automatically shove this verse aside and turn “all men” to “all the pre-appointed men.” Hmm . . .

    I don’t yet have a consistent understanding of the doctrine of hell. Maybe I never will. But keep working with those passages, Joel, and let us know what to think ifwhen you come to a conclusion.

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    1. Polycarp

      A Conclusion? You want me to come to a conclusion and then tell you when I have come to one? :)

      No, you are correct. Several times in Scripture we read ‘all humanity’ and for a long time, we have been told that it only means the appointed ones. Not sure who that came to be considered logical.

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      1. And while we’re talking about logical and heaven and hell, it strikes me as strange when folks think religion was thought up as nothing more than a carrot-and-stick approach using the afterlife to make people behave. Were that the main point, the doctrines of heaven and hell would be so we wouldn’t be having these debates.

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        1. Polycarp

          Mitchell, I cannot disagree with in this most excellent point. The Scriptures hold such depth, and given the times and the authors and the audiences, how could they not be something more than what atheists allow them?

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        2. Polycarp

          Mitchell, not sure if you saw the other post on Revelation or not.

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  2. Oh, I just glanced over this before but on second glance it looks like it deserves a closer reading. I’m off to a Portuguese text now, but I’ll try to make sure to get to it soon.

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