Comments for Unsettled Christianity http://unsettledchristianity.com One blog to rule them all, One blog to find them, One blog to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Tue, 22 May 2012 01:09:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Can you be too catholic to understand Catholicism? by jeremy http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/can-you-be-too-catholic-to-understand-catholicism/#comment-441645 jeremy Tue, 22 May 2012 01:09:39 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45887#comment-441645 I must've missed the part in the Catechism where it says that if you convert to Catholicism you are saying that: "every faithful saint you have known is living a sub-Christian existence because they are not in churches that claim apostolic succession, no matter how fruitful their lives have been in faith, hope, and love". I thought Protestants were separated brethren in whose communions the Holy Spirit is active through the word of God and baptism. I must’ve missed the part in the Catechism where it says that if you convert to Catholicism you are saying that: “every faithful saint you have known is living a sub-Christian existence because they are not in churches that claim apostolic succession, no matter how fruitful their lives have been in faith, hope, and love”. I thought Protestants were separated brethren in whose communions the Holy Spirit is active through the word of God and baptism.

]]> Comment on Can you be too catholic to understand Catholicism? by Just Sayin' http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/can-you-be-too-catholic-to-understand-catholicism/#comment-441632 Just Sayin' Tue, 22 May 2012 00:50:47 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45887#comment-441632 I'm Presbyterian and my current theological reading is Jerry Walls' book on Purgatory and the excellent Introduction to Catholicism by Lawrence Cunningham. Gone are the days when I'd waste my time on Banner of Truth stuff. I’m Presbyterian and my current theological reading is Jerry Walls’ book on Purgatory and the excellent Introduction to Catholicism by Lawrence Cunningham. Gone are the days when I’d waste my time on Banner of Truth stuff.

]]> Comment on Can you be too catholic to understand Catholicism? by Joel http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/can-you-be-too-catholic-to-understand-catholicism/#comment-441609 Joel Tue, 22 May 2012 00:07:01 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45887#comment-441609 thank you kindly. thank you kindly.

]]> Comment on Can you be too catholic to understand Catholicism? by Robert Holmstedt http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/can-you-be-too-catholic-to-understand-catholicism/#comment-441604 Robert Holmstedt Tue, 22 May 2012 00:04:47 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45887#comment-441604 My "to" in "to clever" should be "too," of course. My “to” in “to clever” should be “too,” of course.

]]> Comment on Can you be too catholic to understand Catholicism? by Robert Holmstedt http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/can-you-be-too-catholic-to-understand-catholicism/#comment-441602 Robert Holmstedt Tue, 22 May 2012 00:03:44 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45887#comment-441602 "Too catholic to become Catholic"? -- to clever by half. As someone who is capping 20 years of formal biblical and theological study -- and the last 12 months of focused reflection -- by being received into the RCC at Mass tomorrow evening, I found Leithart's essay humorous but not remotely substantive. Thanks for the link -- I don't normally see his essays unless they are in First Things. “Too catholic to become Catholic”? — to clever by half.

As someone who is capping 20 years of formal biblical and theological study — and the last 12 months of focused reflection — by being received into the RCC at Mass tomorrow evening, I found Leithart’s essay humorous but not remotely substantive.

Thanks for the link — I don’t normally see his essays unless they are in First Things.

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Joel http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441551 Joel Mon, 21 May 2012 22:46:17 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441551 thank you, kindly thank you, kindly

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Sandy http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441548 Sandy Mon, 21 May 2012 22:39:36 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441548 I completely approve this Sherlock. I delight in the fact that it kept you from your sleep. Excellent post, by the way. I completely approve this Sherlock. I delight in the fact that it kept you from your sleep. Excellent post, by the way.

]]> Comment on Concentration Camps for the Queers by Travis Milam http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/concentration-camps-for-the-queers/#comment-441520 Travis Milam Mon, 21 May 2012 22:07:32 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45883#comment-441520 Here's an idea: on that fence put machine guns and just shoot 'em all. Why drop food if you want them to die? To use his words, it makes me puking sick to know he believes he is preaching the Gospel. Here’s an idea: on that fence put machine guns and just shoot ‘em all. Why drop food if you want them to die? To use his words, it makes me puking sick to know he believes he is preaching the Gospel.

]]> Comment on Concentration Camps for the Queers by Optimistic Chad http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/concentration-camps-for-the-queers/#comment-441518 Optimistic Chad Mon, 21 May 2012 22:06:17 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45883#comment-441518 “I figured a way to get rid of all the hateful preachers,” Chad said, sitting in his office, May 21. “Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the racist preachers in there… Do the same thing for the homophobes and the preachers of hate and have that fence..... you know what... nevermind. That isn't very Christlike, now is it?” “I figured a way to get rid of all the hateful preachers,” Chad said, sitting in his office, May 21. “Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the racist preachers in there… Do the same thing for the homophobes and the preachers of hate and have that fence….. you know what… nevermind. That isn’t very Christlike, now is it?”

]]> Comment on Concentration Camps for the Queers by Just Sayin' http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/concentration-camps-for-the-queers/#comment-441514 Just Sayin' Mon, 21 May 2012 22:01:35 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45883#comment-441514 Is such hate speech protected in your country? If so, why? Is such hate speech protected in your country? If so, why?

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Joel http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441191 Joel Mon, 21 May 2012 14:40:21 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441191 agreed on all fronts! agreed on all fronts!

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Gary http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441179 Gary Mon, 21 May 2012 14:27:53 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441179 Sorry, meant Paul, not John contemplating death. Sorry, meant Paul, not John contemplating death.

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Gary http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441177 Gary Mon, 21 May 2012 14:26:55 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441177 "In John’s Gospel, Jesus doubts, fears, loves, and makes the ultimate sacrifice"..."the ultimate act of humanity is self-sacrifice"...From a historic point of view, I personally prefer the Gospel of Judas. 100-200 AD, the establishment (clergy) elevate martyrdom to a level with Jesus, even though Jesus's sacrifice was the ultimate. So the clergy effectively encourage Jesus's followers (just like John contemplating death over sticking around here) and their families to die horrible deaths instead of publicly sacrificing to a Roman God, and privately worship Jesus. Whoever wrote the Gospel of Judas was ticked off at the establishment encouraging Christians to die in the name of Jesus. Maybe that carries over to some Christian churches who march off to war in a "noble" (in their opinion) cause, which seems rather the opposite of what Jesus would recommend. “In John’s Gospel, Jesus doubts, fears, loves, and makes the ultimate sacrifice”…”the ultimate act of humanity is self-sacrifice”…From a historic point of view, I personally prefer the Gospel of Judas. 100-200 AD, the establishment (clergy) elevate martyrdom to a level with Jesus, even though Jesus’s sacrifice was the ultimate. So the clergy effectively encourage Jesus’s followers (just like John contemplating death over sticking around here) and their families to die horrible deaths instead of publicly sacrificing to a Roman God, and privately worship Jesus. Whoever wrote the Gospel of Judas was ticked off at the establishment encouraging Christians to die in the name of Jesus. Maybe that carries over to some Christian churches who march off to war in a “noble” (in their opinion) cause, which seems rather the opposite of what Jesus would recommend.

]]> Comment on Liberals Can’t Be Christians? I did not know that? by Apparently Liberals Can’t Be Christians! « Simul Iustus et Peccator http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/liberals-cant-be-christians-i-did-not-know-that/#comment-441150 Apparently Liberals Can’t Be Christians! « Simul Iustus et Peccator Mon, 21 May 2012 13:57:16 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45839#comment-441150 [...] shares his thoughts on the post here. I think his thoughts on the “denial of Self” are spot [...] [...] shares his thoughts on the post here. I think his thoughts on the “denial of Self” are spot [...]

]]> Comment on More on the development of the character of #Sherlock from this season by Nate http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/more-on-the-development-of-the-character-of-sherlock-from-this-season/#comment-441145 Nate Mon, 21 May 2012 13:52:31 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45867#comment-441145 The worst thing about this series is that it comes out in three episode segments and it will take a year for the next three to come out. Then again, that's probably why it is so good. It is quality over quantity. I thought the last episode was fantastic. I watched the first season twice, and I almost never re-watch TV shows. I plan to re-watch this season when it comes out. The worst thing about this series is that it comes out in three episode segments and it will take a year for the next three to come out. Then again, that’s probably why it is so good. It is quality over quantity. I thought the last episode was fantastic.

I watched the first season twice, and I almost never re-watch TV shows. I plan to re-watch this season when it comes out.

]]> Comment on Richard Bart Carrier Ehrman by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/richard-bart-carrier-ehrman/#comment-440728 steph Mon, 21 May 2012 01:59:47 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45832#comment-440728 No. I'm not missing the point and I know you are saying rather repetitively that you think it's ironic that Jim is commenting negatively on another blogger arbitrarily deleting comments. You don't seem to realise that Jim is NOT commenting negatively on Bart deleting comments. How do you know Jim deletes comments that would contribute to conversation? Jim wouldn't have reproduced our comments if he felt they were 'mean spirited'. You've really got a bee in you bonnet about Jim. So have lots of people and they send him stupid inane and fruitless comments. Have you got evidence that Jim is preventing useful conversation by not publishing them? Joel doesn't prickle people in the same way and therefore has no need to moderate comments. Incidentally don't you think it's a bit petty and inane to come onto Joel's blog to whinge about Jim on a post that isn't about Jim? You will believe what you want to believe. No. I’m not missing the point and I know you are saying rather repetitively that you think it’s ironic that Jim is commenting negatively on another blogger arbitrarily deleting comments. You don’t seem to realise that Jim is NOT commenting negatively on Bart deleting comments. How do you know Jim deletes comments that would contribute to conversation? Jim wouldn’t have reproduced our comments if he felt they were ‘mean spirited’. You’ve really got a bee in you bonnet about Jim. So have lots of people and they send him stupid inane and fruitless comments. Have you got evidence that Jim is preventing useful conversation by not publishing them? Joel doesn’t prickle people in the same way and therefore has no need to moderate comments.

Incidentally don’t you think it’s a bit petty and inane to come onto Joel’s blog to whinge about Jim on a post that isn’t about Jim? You will believe what you want to believe.

]]> Comment on Richard Bart Carrier Ehrman by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/richard-bart-carrier-ehrman/#comment-440714 steph Mon, 21 May 2012 01:41:19 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45832#comment-440714 and the link doesn't work! http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/the-jesus-process-c/ and the link doesn’t work! http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/the-jesus-process-c/

]]> Comment on Richard Bart Carrier Ehrman by Just Sayin' http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/richard-bart-carrier-ehrman/#comment-440711 Just Sayin' Mon, 21 May 2012 01:33:45 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45832#comment-440711 I think you're missing my point, not vice versa. I'm saying that West commenting negatively on another blogger arbitrarily deleting comments is ironic, to say the least. Anyway, Joel is calling for "honest conversation", something that neither West nor Ehrman (apparently) allow, and you and I can both agree with Joel on that desire. I think you’re missing my point, not vice versa. I’m saying that West commenting negatively on another blogger arbitrarily deleting comments is ironic, to say the least. Anyway, Joel is calling for “honest conversation”, something that neither West nor Ehrman (apparently) allow, and you and I can both agree with Joel on that desire.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440704 steph Mon, 21 May 2012 01:01:53 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440704 With typical atheist modesty Loftus whimpers "If what I have written isn't good enough then nothing is good enough for some Christians." Extraordinarily over confident opinion of his ability. It is not only Christians who find his incompetence transparent. and characteristic of his incompetence. "How many times do I need to kick the dead horse of Christianity?" Is that an indication of delusion? He is kicking something that doesn't exist. He's handing his bloggle over to a few 'qualified' people? What qualifies as 'qualified'? I know of no atheist bashers of 'Christianity' who are qualified appropriately and if they were they wouldn't be so stupid as to bash 'Christianity'. He is a lost soul still focused on delusion albeit another delusion. On insanity ask Richard Carrier. He throws it around like confetti although I bet he's not read much Freud on psychological projection. To be accused of insanity by Dick Carrier is reassurance of one's sanity especially as he can be quoted saying "I don't think there's a problem with being a dick" on that skepticon youtube circus. With typical atheist modesty Loftus whimpers “If what I have written isn’t good enough then nothing is good enough for some Christians.” Extraordinarily over confident opinion of his ability. It is not only Christians who find his incompetence transparent. and characteristic of his incompetence. “How many times do I need to kick the dead horse of Christianity?” Is that an indication of delusion? He is kicking something that doesn’t exist.

He’s handing his bloggle over to a few ‘qualified’ people? What qualifies as ‘qualified’? I know of no atheist bashers of ‘Christianity’ who are qualified appropriately and if they were they wouldn’t be so stupid as to bash ‘Christianity’.

He is a lost soul still focused on delusion albeit another delusion.

On insanity ask Richard Carrier. He throws it around like confetti although I bet he’s not read much Freud on psychological projection. To be accused of insanity by Dick Carrier is reassurance of one’s sanity especially as he can be quoted saying “I don’t think there’s a problem with being a dick” on that skepticon youtube circus.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by Geoff http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440677 Geoff Mon, 21 May 2012 00:13:04 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440677 dunno about deluded, but what about the definition of insanity? "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" At least we dont _expect_ atheists to do/say/believe differently, thus proving our sanity. dunno about deluded, but what about the definition of insanity?

“doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

At least we dont _expect_ atheists to do/say/believe differently, thus proving our sanity.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440632 steph Sun, 20 May 2012 22:33:56 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440632 As my friend said to me - or at least wrote on the front page of a present he gave to me a long time ago, in an effort to pretend he wasn't NT Wrong, 'It's far far far better to be wrong than boring.' Which proved he was Wrong but not wrong. As my friend said to me – or at least wrote on the front page of a present he gave to me a long time ago, in an effort to pretend he wasn’t NT Wrong, ‘It’s far far far better to be wrong than boring.’ Which proved he was Wrong but not wrong.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by Joel http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440592 Joel Sun, 20 May 2012 21:19:11 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440592 I hope so. It is no fun knowing it all. I hope so. It is no fun knowing it all.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440530 steph Sun, 20 May 2012 18:33:40 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440530 I do however wish him well and hope he opens his eyes and broadens his horizons. And perhaps he will find inspiration from and find his soul. I do however wish him well and hope he opens his eyes and broadens his horizons. And perhaps he will find inspiration from and find his soul.

]]> Comment on John Loftus, Quitter by steph http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/john-loftus-quitter/#comment-440525 steph Sun, 20 May 2012 18:23:04 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45853#comment-440525 It has regrettable he has achieved no advancement in knowledge in all this time. "I have no more desire to engage Christians. They are deluded, all of them." I'm grieved he has such mistaken unevolved convictions. Bursting with over confident authority, Carrier defines 'delusion'. Ironically - he defines himself. The three criteria of delusion, claims Carrier (on a 'Skepticon' youtube) are 1. certainty (held with absolute conviction), 2. incorrigibilty (not changeable by compelling counter argument or proof to the contrary), and impossibility or falsity of content. Promoting himself and a book he contributed to, The Christian Delusion, edited by Loftus, he expresses hope it will help people "evangelise for atheism". Isn't that extraordinary? I think many atheists are deluded about the evolution of ideas, Christian believers and contemporary faith. They're also incompetent pseudo historians of religion due to lack of training, lack of critical skills and extreme bias. Many atheists have left fundamentalist Christianity. They once held convictions without evidence or argument and swopped them for different convictions also held without evidence or argument. They're batting for the other side as NT Wrong once said to me. "They are deluded": in many ways it's an indication of psychological projection. It has regrettable he has achieved no advancement in knowledge in all this time. “I have no more desire to engage Christians. They are deluded, all of them.” I’m grieved he has such mistaken unevolved convictions. Bursting with over confident authority, Carrier defines ‘delusion’. Ironically – he defines himself. The three criteria of delusion, claims Carrier (on a ‘Skepticon’ youtube) are 1. certainty (held with absolute conviction), 2. incorrigibilty (not changeable by compelling counter argument or proof to the contrary), and impossibility or falsity of content. Promoting himself and a book he contributed to, The Christian Delusion, edited by Loftus, he expresses hope it will help people “evangelise for atheism”. Isn’t that extraordinary? I think many atheists are deluded about the evolution of ideas, Christian believers and contemporary faith. They’re also incompetent pseudo historians of religion due to lack of training, lack of critical skills and extreme bias. Many atheists have left fundamentalist Christianity. They once held convictions without evidence or argument and swopped them for different convictions also held without evidence or argument. They’re batting for the other side as NT Wrong once said to me. “They are deluded”: in many ways it’s an indication of psychological projection.

]]> Comment on Richard Bart Carrier Ehrman by Steven Carr http://unsettledchristianity.com/2012/05/richard-bart-carrier-ehrman/#comment-440435 Steven Carr Sun, 20 May 2012 15:16:49 +0000 http://unsettledchristianity.com/?p=45832#comment-440435 I do remember there being a conference on Maurice Casey's work last year, and if I remember rightly, you were delighted with the reception his book received there. I do remember there being a conference on Maurice Casey’s work last year, and if I remember rightly, you were delighted with the reception his book received there.

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