This happened in Charleston this past week:
Meeting in Charleston, W.V., nearly two-thirds of the 227 delegates at the Northeastern Jurisdiction of United Methodism approved the resolution on Thursday.
“…while bound to the Book of Discipline, [Jurisdiction leaders] are also bound to exercise their consciences and are bound by Jesus’s commandment to stand with the marginalized and the oppressed in our midst when called upon to enforce unjust laws, policies and procedures to the detriment of gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender individuals wishing to participate fully in the life of The United Methodist Church,” reads the resolution.
I have a few structural problems with this.
- The Book of Discipline supersedes our individual consciences and interpretations. There is a reason we covenant together in an episcopal style church. We are not Baptists – we are not individual churches in union, but a universal church under a covenant. We cannot decide to simply ignore that covenant because we disagree with it. We work with it and in it, but to suggest that because we disagree we can ignore it is dishonest in my opinion. It is dishonest to the covenant and to one another. And I remind you that the covenant is made to one another before God.
- Where is the prophetic friction? Prophets are not kings, rulers, and bishops. They aren’t the elites and the leaders. They are the rabble rousers, the dirty, the psychotic, the war torn, the abused, the homeless. They do not force justice upon the people, but call them to justice, show them justice, and die for justice. When elite groups in safe havens push prophetic messages, it is, sadly to say, little more than a collective pat on the back. Further, something could be said that such an event actually causes injustice. Indeed, how many will be positively affected by this resolution? A few, perhaps, but only with personal edification. But, how many will be affected worldwide in a negative manner? A great many more, and many of those are the very ones this resolution is designed to protect. Prophetic friction comes not from kinds, but from the oppressed. Liberty given is a disaster, by the way, but liberty won builds justice.
I think that we should be called to covenant, obey that covenant, and if that covenant needs to be changed, be forced to do so, but not by the elites, the powerful. Several theories of ethics show that those who do these things are no more free of guilt than those who oppose such measures. This resolution, but a select few that has no real bearing on the everyday, is worst than a measure that would push these people further in the closet.
But, I am a Methodist and tomorrow, I’ll go to my Methodist Church. We are, after all, God’s people.
I attended this meeting this afternoon. It was met with no protest and all those who attended seemed to “the choir” which I assume is the super secret gay code word for those who do not believe it is okay to kill the gays.
The discussions were friendly enough, until we retired to the sanctuary. There I learned the secret radical gay agenda.
If I suddenly disappear in the next day or two, you’ll understand why – because I am sharing with you these secrets.
They are attempting to love. That’s right. Their battleplan includes appreciation of the other person’s viewpoints as an equal standing as theirs. They are focusing on trying to see others as people first and viewpoints second. This is scary stuff. They preached loving those with different opinions and bodily functions than their own. They are preaching love.
I don’t like it. They want to force love upon the fundamentalists, as if all you need is love… of if we are to be known by how we love one another.
I’ll keep you updated.
One of DC Comics oldest heroes is super-coming out.
The original Green Lantern – a DC Comics mainstay for the past 70 years – will be revealed to be a gay man in next week’s issue of “Earth 2.”
Alan Scott – formerly a married father of two who first appeared in 1940 – tips readers off to his sexuality early on in the comic when he gives his boyfriend a welcome home kiss.
via DC Comics Green Lantern relaunched as gay superhero – NYPOST.com.
No doubt, this will create a great firestorm, but honestly, you didn’t see this coming? The dude wore a cape and a mask in daylight and had a fancy ring.
So sayeth Pastor Worley,
“I figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers,” he says in his sermon, delivered on May 13. “Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there… Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out… And you know what, in a few years, they’ll die.” (ht)
Pastor Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church — located at 3283 Providence Mill Rd, Maiden, NC 28650 — is seen here from a service posted to the church’s website dated May 13, 2012 calling for the starvation and ultimate death of “queers and homosexuals.”
Also, because Worley needs another angel to help, we have Lesly Charles, an NYPD cop and prophet who utters some pretty disgusting language. He simply responds,
“I’m just doing God’s work. You know I can’t comment. Have a blessed day.”
Rev. James Semmelroth Darnell, the 27-year-old pastor of St. John United Church of Christ in Saint Clair, told FoxNews.com that pastors of three other churches in a local church softball league said their teams would no longer take the field against St. John after hearing rumors questioning Darnell’s sexuality. Rather than force the issue, St. John pulled out of the league.
“Three teams had issue with that and no longer wanted to play against our team since I am an out bisexual person,” Darnell told FoxNews.com. “And it’s surprising because I don’t even play, I have no affiliation with the league.”
via Pastor’s sexuality splits Missouri church softball league | Fox News.
Okay, so I don’t usually make fun of people’s beliefs, but this one is crazy with a capital K.
Jesus was kissed by Judas, a homo, who tried to sabotage Jesus’ kind ideas. Do you choose Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo? You have to choose!
Wonder if she ever read that part where Paul says to give each other a kiss.
Mark Tooley gloats:
The Adam Hamilton motion was considered the strongest attempt to dilute the United Methodist Church’s current stance that homosexual practice is “incompatible with Christian teaching.” The church prohibits same-sex unions and precludes actively homosexual clergy, expecting all clergy to be celibate if single and monogamous if in a marriage between man and woman. Legislative committees last week recommended retaining these current stances.
via United Methodists Reject Agree to Disagree Motion on Homosexuality « Juicy Ecumenism.
Such a statement is silly, I think. I know that this is going to get my liberal friends fired up, but honestly, all you are doing is actually causing the split with the agree to disagree statements. The UMC is an episcopal-style church. You shouldn’t have one group going that way and another that way. That didn’t even work for the Baptists.
The United Methodists are going to have their general conference next week, or something like that. This is one United Methodist who would not be attending, although the fights which will be presented will in fact be related to Mr. Creech
Also, from I hear, Mr. Creech will be coming to Charleston next weekend….
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For many ancient cultures, it is not. Even to the point of allowing that what we would consider homosexuality today, is not really homosexuality, because love is not involved.
The study, obtained by Fox News, found that Pashtun men commonly have sex with other men, admire other men physically, have sexual relationships with boys and shun women both socially and sexually — yet they completely reject the label of “homosexual.” The research was conducted as part of a longstanding effort to better understand Afghan culture and improve Western interaction with the local people.
Read more: here
We know from ancient sources that such acts where not considered homosexuality (perhaps, first of all, because they really didn’t have a concept of sexuality to begin with). Today, in the remnants of antiquity, we find much the same attitudes.
So, I guess my question is, can sex be separated from love, should it? And how does this play into our discussions on homosexuality, dominance between men and women, and our changing views of love and the beloved?
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Thought this might stir up a conversation….
But early in the morning he arrived again in the temple area, and all the people started coming to him, and he sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a man who had been caught in an homosexual act and made him stand in the middle.
They said to him, “Teacher, this man was caught in the very act of homosexuality. Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such men. So what do you say?”
They said this to test him, so that they could have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with his finger. But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at him.”
Again he bent down and wrote on the ground. And in response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders. So he was left alone with the man before him. Then Jesus straightened up and said to him, “Man, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
He replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, (and) from now on do not sin any more.”