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November 30th, 2011 by Joel

Marcellus of Ancyra wins in the Apostle’s Creed

If you remember, from a long time ago… I have a deep admiration for Marcellus of Ancrya. He was a fighter for Western Christology, something later corrupted, as everything usually is, by the East. Plus, he believed in a type of universal reconciliation, but then again, in those days, who didn’t, right? In his defense of the proper terminology in defining the relationship between the Father and the Son, and oddly enough, he insisted only on Scriptural terminology.

Anyway… as I was praying with the Apostle’s Creed this morning, I prayed the United Methodist version, but honestly, it was missing Marcellus’ key phrase which is preserved in the Roman Missal:

I believe in God,
the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen

Sure, Marcellus is really the cause of the East-West split, and yes, he is eternally trashed in the Nicene-Constantinople Creed, but in the Apostle’s Creed, for many, many Christians, Marcellus wins…

August 8th, 2011 by Joel

Apostles’ Creed for Today

I love this creed and would demand, if I had any standing, that it be read every Sunday, if not every day…

May 16th, 2011 by Joel

Is it Time For a New Creed yet?

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Jeremiah Wrights writes,

I’m a big fan of the Nicene Creed (technically the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 for the sticklers), and I have found a great deal of value in reflecting on what it does and doesn’t say. I especially value the creed because it facilitates the intersection of two important parts of my life….

my interest in the development of Christian theology through history. That said, there is something that has been bugging me about the creed lately. When reading it, we essentially get only a list of facts about the Father, Son, and Spirit.

…..I must firmly insist that all that we know about God is firmly entrenched in a narrative, but how well does the creed place God within that narrative?

Time For a New Creed? « Walking Towards Jerusalem.

I don’t like the Creed of 381, finding that it goes too far and instead becomes too much a political compromise. Instead, I prefer the Apostle’s Creed, but Jeremiah’s question is a good one.

When does, for those of you who believe it does, doctrine stop progressing? When do we step back and examine where we are and if we need to move to the left or the right?

What if a new creed is needed? Or a new doctrine, especially in relation to the narrative developed around YHWH and Jesus.

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September 24th, 2010 by Joel

Scratch Pad Two: Arianism

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See the previous post. Also, do you see Arianism in the modern Church?

Arianism, long latent even before it had a name given to it by a man born long after the heresy developed, erupted in Alexandria at the start of the State Church due to a dispute between Alexander, Bishop of that city, and the conservative Arius[i], one of his presbyters. Erupting over a contested passage[ii], the contest soon spread throughout Egypt and into the Levant, roundly dividing the priests and bishops into the two camps, although those two camps were not as neatly defined as their leaders who have us believe. While Arius and his most ardent followers most likely aligned symmetrically, as were Alexander and his, the tiered supporters did have disagreements amongst themselves. Each had their theologians, with Arius, a poor theologian, defended by Eusebius of Caesarea and Eusebius of Nicomedia, joined by the lapsed Narcissus of Neronias and Alexander supported immediately by Athanasius who would later be accompanied into exile by Marcellus of Ancyra. Letters, documents and position papers were produced, leading to excommunications and eventually, an Imperial call for a council.

In 325, Constantine summoned hundreds of bishops, but only a fraction attended, and nearly all of them from the East. It was to decide, for all time, the position of the Church. After heated disputes[iii], a Creed was introduced by Eusebius and without little change, was accepted as a middle ground to both sides. This Creed was roundly supported by Marcellus of Ancyra and others because of the inclusion of the word ὁμοούσιον (consubstantiálem, Lat.) tying Christ to the same substance as the Father, directly refuting, at least in the majority opinion, the notion that Christ is a creature, made by the Father. The Creed of 325 differed greatly from the Creed of 381 which developed, although with the fight over of the completion enjoyed by the Son, the formula of the Spirit. Further, with its focus on more of the ontological nature of Christ, the Creed of 381 tried to forever put to rest the heresy that there was a time in which the Son was not.

Arianism’s problem for Christianity resides in the question of Incarnation and Atonement. If Christ was a created being, and although higher than the angels, could salvation be affected? Christ, as orthodoxy considered Him, was God in the Flesh, which was necessary, via developed theology, to bring about Salvation because in the Atonement, Christ through His divinity accomplished the ultimate sacrifice. As Melito of Sardis would say, God died; or as Athanasius would say, God became human so that humanity could become divine. It diluted the deity of Christ to a high and perfect creature, but a creature none the less. And if the blood of bulls and goats did nothing, how could another mere creature, regardless of his own divine status? Arius, while attempting to drive the Church away from polytheism which he perceived in Alexander’s speech, drove the Church into the ancient heresies of Ebionism and in some small way, Gnosticism.


[i] So is the argument by Rowam Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in his book, Arius: Heresy and Tradition, Eerdmans,

[ii] I would venture that it was Proverbs 8, in which Wisdom (Christ) is said to be created, although most likely Arius was using the LXX. Constantine in his letter to Alexander would write, When you, Alexander, demanded of the priests what opinion they each maintained respecting a certain passage in Scripture, or rather, I should say, that you asked them something connected with an unprofitable question. See Constantine to Alexander and Arius, 6

[iii] One of my favorite stories is that of Bishop Nicolas (St. Nicholas) who upon hearing Arius’ full treatment walked over to the heretic and with as much strength as he could muster, punched Arius – in front of the Emperor, no less!

August 26th, 2010 by Joel

What Makes the Church One?

Stuart has a post about the unity of Rome and the East, which I shared on Facebook. NT commented about the last stanza of the Creed -

In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. (Creed of 381)

The Apostles’ Creed ends like this,

I believe in …. the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,

What united the Church? Is it the head of an organization? The Creed? Or is in the One Faith which predated these things? Is ther anything that unites Christians?

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August 24th, 2010 by Joel

The Apostles’ Creed for the Maasai

The Apostle’s Creed is a favorite of mine, so too the topic of translation. While we sit and debate the proper method of biblical translation, I think that an example such as this should enter into our conversation. How would you translate something so simple as the Apostle’s Creed into a foreign culture so as to make it compatible with their mind? The following was translated for the Maasai people in East Africa.

Maasai Apostles’ Creed

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We believe in the one High God, who out of love created the beautiful world and everything good in it. He created man and wanted man to be happy in the world. God loves the world and every nation and tribe on the earth. We have known this High Go

d in the darkness, and now we know him in the light. God promised in the book of his word, the Bible, that he would save the world and all nations and tribes.

We believe that God made good his promise by sending his son, Jesus Christ, a man in the flesh, a Jew by tribe, born poor in a little village, who left his home and was always on safari doing good, curing people by the power of God, teaching about God and man, showing that the meaning of religion is love. He was rejected by his people, tortured and nailed hands and feet to a cross, and died. He was buried in the grave, but the hyenas did not touch him, and on the third day, he rose from that grave. He ascended to the skies. He is the Lord.

We believe that all our sins are forgiven through him. All who have faith in him must be sorry for their sins, be baptized in the Holy Spirit of God, live the rules of love, and share the bread together in love, to announce the good news to others until Jesus comes again. We are waiting for him. He is alive. He lives. This we believe.
Amen

So, how does this translate into the topic of bible translation? I think that cultural and local experience plays a part in biblical translation, dispelling the notion that a word for word translation (which is hardly completely possible) is always needed or preferred. If the point of translation is to get the audience to understand what is being said, we need to open up a little on those translation styles.

You might also enjoy a lecture by Jaroslav Pelikan on the topic on Creeds and local experience.

The Carpenter’s Table: Masai Version of the Apostles’ Creed.

June 29th, 2010 by Joel

The Korean Methodist Creed

In discussing Methodist theology with my wife, we were talking about the nature of the Godhead and how the Methodists (more specifically, the United Methodists) might view non-Trinitarians. This subject came up because we were discussing the theological diversity found in the Methodist church, especially since I have ran into a self-pronounced Oneness-Methodist.

Beyond that, though, is the various Methodist creeds, namely that of the Korean Methodist,

We believe in the one God,

creator and sustainer of all things, Father of all nations,
the source of all goodness and beauty, all truth and love.

We believe in Jesus Christ,

God manifest in the flesh,
our teacher, example, and Redeemer, the Savior of the world.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,

God present with us for guidance, for comfort, and for strength.

We believe in the forgiveness of sins,

in the life of love and prayer,
and in grace equal to every need.

We believe in the Word of God

contained in the Old and New Testaments
as the sufficient rule both of faith and of practice.

We believe in the church,

those who are united in the living Lord
for the purpose of worship and service.

We believe in the reign of God

as the divine will realized in human society,
and in the family of God,
where we are all brothers and sisters.

We believe in the final triumph of righteousness

and in the life everlasting.

Amen.

You can find a listing of those creeds here.

February 10th, 2010 by Joel

The Nicene Creed and Messianic Judaism

We are repairing the broken pieces, standing between church creeds and rabbinic discussions, and trying to make them whole.

So says this post. You might want to read the entire thing, which is an interesting take on the Nicene Creed.

November 17th, 2009 by Joel

Surat Al-’Ikhlas and the Nicene Creed

While many Christians note that Muhammad’s version of Christianity is a little skewed  – no doubt he encountered a sect of Christianity – we usually focus only only the differences of the Qu’ranic Isa and the Biblical Jesus. However, does the Qu’ran, and thus early Islamic theology, actually offer more than just a repackaging of Jesus, but a theological attack on the Nicene Creed?

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September 23rd, 2009 by Joel

Can Oneness and Trinitarians Unite Around the Creeds?

Jason Dulle has a very interesting post about the historic creeds of Christendom, from a oneness pentecostal angle. If Oneness Pentecostals would approach it the way Jason has done, I believe that in at least one Creed those who hold to the deity of Christ could start to understand one another, and more than that, find some common ground:

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