A professor of mine is serving as a panelist for this discussion.
So, what are talking about today? I think we are speaking about Von Wahlde’s book on John, The Gospel and Letters of John. I’m not sure how I feel about John. Sometimes, I think it is the most historical of the bunch, and other times, the most theological. It can be both I guess.
Anyway, I think this is sort of a review for the second edition of the book.
The first speaker believes that 1 John was written before the Gospel. I find nothing terribly wrong with that, actually. Sure, why not. Anyway, he is using this premise to isolate three different sources in the Gospel. He calls them the three editions. Further he says that a sub group did the editing. Moves from a fully Jewish edition to a more fully hellenized apocalyptic edition. Cites primitive theology in 1 John.
Seriously, only Mark matters anyway…
I’m not sure that I will have much to write about this…
Had a great breakfast with Allan Bevere this morning. Google his blog. Great stuff.
Look, I get it. You are tired, but be more lively in these discussions because we are too. Seriously. We are exhausted. And now bored.
Oh, we’ll, I guess it is von Wahlde giving the presentation. I can’t imagine how exciting his book will actually be….
Wait… Who would actually do Johannine scholarship unless they had to… Geesh!
Lol! Joke about form criticism! Now, that’s funny.
He is preempting bad reviews… This cannot be good for the other reviewers on the panel. Also, he’s taking a very long time…. Oh come on.
I think ‘finally’ is his favorite word… He uses it an awful lot it seems.
See. He did it again. Oops.
Panelist Paul N. Anderson is up. Calls the commentary set one of the most important commentary sets since Raymond Brown. That’s a pretty big statement. Anderson is going to address some of the complaints about the project Such as von Wahlde’s separation between the three editions. What if the evangelist is the redactor? Possible, I guess. Do we have literary markers? Can themes be interrupted by the same author? Why couldn’t someone be a self-editor? These are the questions that Anderson is going to answer, while it seems, promoting his own book.
My wife brought me a coffee with a double shot of espresso. Good stuff.
They are using different criteria and arriving, independently of one another, to some of the same results. This adds, in my opinion, weight to the premises.
Dr. Alicia Myers is presenting now. She is my NT prof meaning that I’m not going to comment much. I do think that the average seminary student would have a difficult time digesting this information. But she is doing well. Her paper is organized, and not just being given off the cuff.
Look, I’m honest. If she wasn’t, I’d say, just not very loud.
Craig Koester is up. Again… More praise for for the Johannie scholarship. Booo hiiiisssss
Like I said…. Not a lot going on here.
Wait… He is going to talking about how this fits into the Historical Study of Jesus.
Sometimes, I think that the idea of editions of Scripture obscures the rich theological telos of the community…. We spend so much time separating them out, parsing them,, that we forget the End. I dunno…
I’m still not completely convinced that John is late. As Koester is pointing out, there is a certain apocalyptic thought in John… Going back directly to Jesus. So… Maybe John isn’t that late. I’m not going to focus on that, by the way, just thinking out loud.
Yes, a lot to think about…
Joel Landon Watts is a Masters of Theological Studies student with a focus in Mimetic Criticism of the Gospel of Mark. His interests include exploring the role of mimesis in human civilization, specifically in the study of religion and media, as well as science fiction and the way in which it has allowed mythology to be explored in light of scientific ideals of the past century. Currently, he is a TA for Old Testament at United Theological Seminary under Dr. Vivian Johnson, Associate Professor of Old Testament. His first book, Rhetorical Strategies of the Evangelist: Mimetic Criticism of the Gospel of Mark, is expected to be published by Wipf and Stock early next year. He is currently co-editing a book on moving from Fear to Faith (Energion, 2013).
Seriously, why not go and feed some poor people.
I dunno… Ask the Apostles
I am not interested in the supernaturalism of Christianity, but am very interested in the study of the early history of the group. I am always happy to talk to others that are also interested in this topic. My interest specifically is up till perhaps a generation or two after Irenaeus. But I would say I am interested in anything from the Maccabean revolt up till about 384CE when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire.
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