Who or What is the Anti-Christ? Nobama

This topic has come up recently, so I thought that it was about time to post on it.

There is a bogeyman is that lurking int he hearts and minds of many who profess Christianity – the Antichrist. Like most bogey man, the antichrist is a myth, a creation, a stretch. We find a phrase succinctly put in Latin,

Scriptura Scripturae Interpres

It means that we allow the scriptures to interpret themselves. So, let us apply that to the antichrist.

In Greek the word is found four times in Scripture:

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.  (1 John 2:18 NKJV)

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.  (1 John 2:22 NKJV)

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.  (1 John 4:3 NKJV)

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.  (2 John 1:7 NKJV)

This word is found only in the Epistles by John. He applies it to those that had denied Christ coming in the flesh. This would imply a pre-existence of Christ, defeating what later became Arianism and lately, the Jehovah’s Witnesses among others including the Church of God General Conference. Note, both Trinitarians and Modalists both claim that Christ came in the flesh, implying a pre-existence, but Unitarians do not – neither the Trinitarians or the Modalists are antichrists.

An antichrist, by only John’s definition – and since he is the only one to use the word we should use his assigned meaning – is one who denies the deity of Christ and denies the pre-existence of Christ. This is important to understand for several reasons, one of which is:

    And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, “I am He,’ and will deceive many. (Mark 13:5-6 NKJV)

    • An unreal understanding of the ‘antichrist’ could lead many to believing that the False Prophet of Revelation is one who denies Christ. Although the False Prophet will stand against Christ, is it more than likely that he will not deny that Christ came in the Flesh. Christ says in Mark,’The great deceiver will come’, as Christ says, in the name of Christ, proclaiming that Jesus is the Christ. Matthew 24.5 says that those that come will say ‘I am the Christ.’ Further, we know that these false prophets, and the False Prophet, perform many signs and wonders. (Matthew 24.24) These false christs and false prophets are so convincing in their demonstration that they come close to deceiving the very elect of God. Can one who denies Christ actually do this? Or would it be one who has a doctrine so similiar to the elect and while proclaiming the name of Christ performs signs and wonders?

    If we understand that antichrist is different than the False Prophet of eschatology, then we know that while Obama may be antichrist (in that he has not confirmed his believe in the diety and pre-existence of Christ) he is not the False Prophet for the exact same reason.

    What are your thoughts?

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    1. There is an antichrist coming the one that God says will come and there will be those who will receive his mark, the mark of his name and the number of his name.
      He was born Nov. 21, 2003 in Bethlehem. Thousands of people showed up.
      http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/02/mideast.baby/
      His mark, the mark of his name and the number of his name (the date of his birth)(Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name) shows that we receive our name at our birth-hence the number of his name. Revelation 13:17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

      18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

      In another interpretation (count)(calculate). his birth date 11-21-2003 calculates in a mathmatical equation to be 600-60-6 also in the Hebrew date as well as the Islamic date. He was born on the 27th day of the holy month of Ramadan, the night that was said that the Koran was given to Mohammad

    2. Just so that you understand I am not saying that this is talking about the antichrist, but only referencing how God speaks about the number of his name and how ist is the date of ones birth.
      The Book of the Prophet
      Isaiah
      49

      Israel the LORD’s Servant
      1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

    3. Charles, with all due respect, I just don’t know how to answer you on this. This baby is not the False Prophet. That much I am assured of.

    4. I referenced Isaiah 49:1 because that is where God led me to show me the meaning of the number of his name, meaning that the number of even our names is our birthdate.

      Revelation 13:17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

      “his” mark, “his” name and the number of “his” name.
      The child’s name is Ala and it means “royalty” in Arabic.

    5. I lived in Saudi Arabia two times for a total of 3 years as a civilian. When I read that the Imam had traced the birthmark with his finger, it brought back memories as to what happened to me the second time I was in Saudi.
      I was in the base secutity station waiting to get my base badge and I was sitting there with other guys that I work with. An Imam came up to me and took my right arm in his hand and traced around the tattoo on my forearm. The tattoo looks like it could be an image of God. He didn’t take my other arm and trace the tattoo on it. He looked at me and then walked away.

    6. Charles, first:

      knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, (2 Peter 1:20 NKJV)

      Please note that your ‘interpretation’ would mean that the Julian calender was the inspired and ordained calender, although not all the world uses it, or have used it. It is a relatively new concept.

      Second, you most not have read the article as the child does not meet the qualifications of antichrist because the child has yet to determine it’s decision on the deity of Christ.

      This child is neither antichrist or the False Prophet. Your private interpretation makes little sense logically or biblically.

      The last comment is really not worth responding to, because it seems that you are trying to say that you have the image of God tattoo’d on your arm.

    7. What gets me is you say the tattoo looks like the image of God? but no one knows what God looks like, so how did you come to that?

    8. First of all it isn’t my personal interpretation. Interpretation comes through the Holy Spirit.
      And no I didn’t say that I thought my tattoo was the image of God.
      God does thing on His own calendar not ours, He will use ours to get us to understand.
      Another thing maybe you should read Matthew 26 and what God said about Judas:
      The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: Ps. 41.9 but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

      25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

      And yes the child is the antichrist and yes he does meet the qualifications. He has to mirror Jesus in order for those left behind to believe that he is God. First he was born in Bethlehem. And yes he has the mark, which is the mark of his name. God makes it very clear and understandable.
      Maybe you should read that again.
      God uses numbers howerver He likes and he uses situations however He likes.
      and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

      18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

      The child has it all,(the mark, which is his name, and the number of his name which is the number of the beast and also when calculated or counted and I explained that the number of his neme is his birthdate and when calculated out is 600, 60, 6.
      Since I was a child I have always asked God to show me things, I wanted to know Him. He says we are to know the mysteries of heaven. I never attended regular sunday school, instead I sat with the adults in the classes.
      God does things in His own way to show people that He is with us. So I suppose that you don’t believe that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for 3 days, or that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed’nego were delivered from the fiery furnace. Or that God made a donkey talk.
      It is called having faith and believing and knowing that God is real and does do things in His way to get our attention, whether or not they are believable by everyone.
      Back in June of 2001, God provided my way to go to Israel, because I had faith and I knew He wanted me to go. How it happened will sound unbelievable, but it is true. I am an aircraft mechanic by trade and every year we filled out paperwork for overtime and road trips for fixing our airplanes. I put down that overtime was ok and that I didn’t want to go on road trips. I didn’t have the money to go, and I wouldn’t have enough to cover my bills while I was gone, but I had faith and believed that God would provide, even if those around me didn’t. So one day I walk into the office at work and the phone rang, not my phone and not my office, but it was for me asking if I wanted to go on a road trip. I reminded them about me not wanting to. I asked for how long and they said a couple of days. I said ok, I ended up there for 7 days, I got all of the money for my trip and my bills. The great thing about it is that I thanked God for that hail storm He sent, (baseball size hail) that put hundreds of dents on two of our airplanes.
      So God does do things that we may not understand that are done His way and not our own.

    9. Obama, Putin, Bush, Martin Luther, John Calvin, the Roman Catholic church, Hitler, Napolean, Saddam and how many others have been called “the Antichrist”?

      The passages you presented are as clear as day. Those who went into the world teaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh were the Antichrist. They could be seen then as they can be seen today.

    10. I guess you don’t know that God still uses us today, at least He does me, maybe not you, maybe you don’t understand, but I do and so do many others. Maybe when you are left behind, you will see that I was right, maybe you need to study scripture more. Just so you know, as I said before, interpretation comes through the Holy Spirit.

    11. I used to think that the Antichrist would be one man, that would come and raise havoc on this world, but Jesus said that many would come, and lots have.. and I DON’T believe in the Rapture, at all, I believe what Matthew 24 says, Imediantly AFTER the tribulation , Jesus will come in the clouds,,,He will judge everyone that day… there will be no Left behind, false prohfecy ,,, that it is,, the Left behinds books,, Just read what the Bible says, Nothing about coming to get us first then seven years later coming back, only one time… I don’t understand why they teach this today…It is wrong..

    12. the only way you are gonna miss the Tribulation is if you are dead…. otherwise, get ready , puton the whole armor of God… Be prepared..lots of false teaching today, that is why you need to find out and search the Bible yourself,, don’t put you live and eternal life and trust in man… only God….

    13. Just so you know, I do use common sense and I do go by God’s Word, Sounds to me you don’t care anything about the things of God. Everything belongs to God even that old box you call it. If God didn’t want us to know these things, He wouldn’t have put them in His Word. Like I said, we are to know the mysteries of heaven.
      Maybe you think someone like Billy Graham would more likely be the one God would tell everything to. Just so you know, God picks those who aren’t afraid to speak out, and He picks those who will know and understand that He is talking to them. I can imagine you there at the time of Jonah, or John the Baptist.

    14. ALSO IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHERE THE ARK IS, IT IS IN HEAVEN, READ REVELATIONS 11:19

      19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, Rev. 8.5 ; 16.18 and great hail. Rev. 16.21

      ) Joshua 4. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …life. 15 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Joshua, saying, 16 Command the priests that bear the ark of the testimony, that they come up out of Jordan. 17 Joshua therefore

    15. sorry but I do go by scripture and I am not blind, and not self promoting. I guess that because it isn’t you, you are either jealous or aren’t a believer in God. I know scripture, I don’t just read it and memorize it, I do get interpretation from the Holy Spirit.

    16. I guess if you did know scripture you would have known that the ark of the covenant was in heaven.

    17. Just for you, and by the way, I do know what prophecy is. And another thing, If God didn’t want us to know something He wouldn’t have given it to us in His Word!!!
      2) Mark 10. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. 28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo,…

      3) Matthew 19. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him,…

      4) Luke 18. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …heard it said, Who then can be saved? 27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God. 28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and…

    18. I told you exactly where the Ark is
      Just for you, and by the way, I do know what prophecy is. And another thing, If God didn’t want us to know something He wouldn’t have given it to us in His Word!!!
      2) Mark 10. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. 28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo,…

      3) Matthew 19. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him,…

      4) Luke 18. The Holy Bible: King James Version.
      …heard it said, Who then can be saved? 27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God. 28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and…

    19. Charles, it is your private interpretation because it only makes sense to you. You say that God revealed that it had to be that certain day, whereas that date occurs only on a calender in relatively new use. Does God use the Western Calender to schedule His events? Do you realize that the Islamic calender is Lunar based, so the actual day and month of the child’s birth is recorded in November, on that day, using our calender? Charles, this is a private interpretation.

      The ‘antichrist’ does not be opposite of Christ, but use what John said – it means one who denies that Christ came in the flesh. Has this child done this? No. The child is now learning to talk. Do you really think that deep theology has been given to the child? I am not sure if you know this, but there have been plenty of children born in Bethlehem. And no, nothing says that the False Prophet has to mirror Christ in order for people to worship him.

      The mark on the child is the name, roughly, of the child’s uncle who was killed by Israel.

      You think yourself special because you set with the adults? Charles, there are plenty of congregations that do not separate children and adults for church service. Are anyone of them as special as you are?

      How do you get my denial of your private interpretations as denial of God’s ability to use His creation to serve His purpose or my denial of the inerrancy of the Bible? Charles, reading comprehension is a must, please.

      What does the normal course of life have to do with miracles, Charles? You worked in the airline industry which provide free trips to it’s workers. And the hail story? Where does that fit in at?

    20. Charles, would you care to detail to me in Scripture the ‘rapture?’ God still uses people, but the interpretation is not outside of common sense, logic, or Scripture.

    21. Why? I don’t know where the Ark is, nor do I care. It may be in heaven, as some think, of in a cave in Ethopia as others think. Christ is now our Ark. The old box is an artifact, sure, but it is Christ that we should be weary to touch in vain.

    22. Deb, I thank you for all of your comments. Charles – this is what I mean about private interpretations. I do not know Deb, nor she me, but we have a great many of the same understandings – and all within the common sense, logic and Scripture. No, there is no such thing as the ‘Left Behind’ Rapture. Paul said after the ‘last trumpet’, and that trumpet in Revelation takes ‘days’ ending in 14/15th chapter of that book.

    23. Charles, I count Billy G among those that helped to spawn the current easy beliefism and the revival movement. You make an awful lot of assumptions without facts. Do you do that with the Scriptures as well?

    24. Charles, anagrams are ages old and nothing special. There is nothing special about Just Understand, the same with bible codes and the Kabbalah. All are false ways of trying to one up people with a gnostic wisdom.

      Again, who cares where the Ark of the Covenant is, as most of Revelation is symbolism. Christ is the bearer of the new covenant. Remember, if the Old Covenant is passed, and the now useless, what is the point of the symbol of that Covenant? Nothing. One has to understand Revelation as symbolism. If not, you come away with a great many false doctrines

    25. Charles, let me you a bit of an example of the silliness that you wish to promote,
      • William Shakespeare is believed to have been born on 23rd April 1564.
      • A memorial at Holy Trinity Church, Stratford-upon-Avon, records that he died on 23rd April 1616.
      • Shakespeare’s plays were first performed in 1588,when Shakespeare was 23.
      • The First Folio of Shakespeare’s works was published in 1623.
      • Now 23 + 23 = 46
      • The King James Bible was first published in 1611, when Shakespeare was 46.
      • “WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE” is an anagram of “HERE WAS I, LIKE A PSALM

      Now this is how the things work…..
      • Open and turn to PSALM 46 of a King James Autorished Version Bible
      • Write down the 46th word from the beginning – Shake
      • Write down the 46th word from the end – spear
      (ok…..so the person forgot the last ‘e’ in Shakespeare but it sounds alike)

    26. Charles, if you actually read the book of Revelation, at the place where we are discussing, you will notice the most important part,

      the ark of His covenant

      Now, if you rightly divide the word of God, you will notice that the Covenant of which we are concerned, and the Covenant which God holds, is the New. Your reference to the Ark of the Covenant was clearly meaning the Old box which housed the Ten Commandments.

      by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant. (Hebrews 7:22 NKJV)

      For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah– not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (Hebrews 8:7-10 NKJV)

      In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Hebrews 8:13 NKJV)

      It is about Scripture, but you have to understand what prophecy is, especially the book of Revelation.

      Tell me, just where do anagrams fit? Where does your ‘Trust Jesus’ wordplay fit in?

    27. Charles,

      No one is arguing the point of the word of God; however, I would say that your ‘interpretations’ are very private, limited to you alone. Further, you have not addressed the issue which you brought up concerning the Ark.

    28. Charles, no you told me where you thought the old Ark was, but the Ark in Revelation is clearly the New Covenant. They are two separate things. Which one is in heaven? Charles, you are straining at gnats here. Besides, what does it prove? Is it relevant to doctrine? To the Gospel? Hardly

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