Bill Johnson – Apostolic Lies

Bill Johnson, another members of the radical right of the Charismatic movement, brings us this ‘insight’. Let’s see what he has to say, shall we?

via The ElijahList – Prophetic Words and Prophecies

For centuries the people of God have gathered together around specific truths. Denominations and organizations have been formed to unite these groups of Believers. Having common belief systems (see footnote 1 at bottom) has helped to build unity within particular groups and define their purpose. Historically these groups were formed from people who were usually newly saved, or were asked to leave whatever denomination they were previously a part of.

Denominations are built on division – on ‘truths’ and doctrines that divide, yet he would make it seem as if denominations are a unifying force. Contrary to what Bill says, denominations were made in opposition, sometimes forceful, against a larger denominational presence. The Reformation was a gentle and peaceful as asking someone to leave Rome. Remember the Anabaptists?

Unity based on common doctrines has a measure of success. But there is an inherent problem with this approach – unity of this nature is based upon uniformity. When God is saying something new (see footnote 2 at bottom), those who are listening are usually asked by their leaders to leave the group they were a part of (see footnote 3 at bottom). Their newfound convictions and beliefs are considered threatening and divisive.

Bill has fallen off his rocker. Now, he can say what he wants to, but even if you quote scripture, it can still be a new and thus perverted doctrine. Luther sought a return to the old ways; Calvin sought a return to the Augustine theology, while others still tried to reform Rome to a point where she was supposed to be holy. Rarely ever did they want to start something ‘new’, but attempt to return to the Apostle’s doctrine. Instead of that – no matter your distinctive theology, you have to admit that an attempted return to the Apostles was well worth the trip – these people (Dominionists, Joel’s Army, Charismatics of the political persuasion) only attempt something new, often times spoke to them by some ‘angel’ or another. What Bill is doing is to encourage you to leave those ‘dusty ole denominations’ to join him because God is talking to him.

Bill, that’s not the God talking, but the god of this world.

If the whole group doesn’t move in step with what God is saying, there will be a break in fellowship. When agreement in nonessential beliefs are considered necessary for fellowship, then division is natural and to be expected. While doctrine is vitally important it is not a strong enough foundation to bear the weight of His glory that is about to be revealed through true unity.

Change is in the Air

There are major changes in the “wind” right now. For the last several years people have started to gather around fathers instead of doctrine. In the natural, it would be easy to imagine a father with two very different children – one politically liberal and the other conservative. While discussions would probably be quite lively at the evening meal, they would not bring an end to the family.

Gathering around fathers gives a stability that enables people to endure differences in opinion without falling under the influence of the spirit of offense. Fathers bring an element of peace that is impossible without them.

Bill, Paul said to listen to his word and epistle, to believe the gospel and to hold to the doctrine that he and the Apostles taught. The only true Father that we have, is God Himself, not you, Bill. The only Mother that we have is the Church, not Patricia King.

Spiritual Fathers

Apostles are first and foremost fathers by nature. True fathers continually make choices for the well-being of their children with little thought to personal sacrifice. They are not jealous when their children succeed, but instead are overjoyed because of those successes. It is normal for a father to desire his children to surpass him in every way. Brothers compete, fathers do not.

In the same way that a father and mother are to bring stability to a home, so the apostles and prophets are the stability of the Church. The Apostle Paul calls them the Church’s foundation (see Ephesians 2:20). Good foundations bring stability. The concept of team ministry starts with these two. Stability is the primary fruit of the ministry of the apostolic team.

Yes, at least he is speaking the truth in only little area. Doesn’t make up for the great amount of lies elsewhere though.

Team Makeup

Apostolic teams are not necessarily made up of just apostles and prophets. They are a group of people that carry the “family mission” without selfish agendas. They are sent by their leadership, and entrusted with delegated authority to establish God’s rule in their realm of experience and expertise. When they go with that heart, they carry an apostolic anointing because they function under the umbrella of the apostle’s authority.

Here we go….just a tad bit of truth and then a whole lotta leaven. There is no such thing as ‘apostolic teams’, as using the Granville-Sharpe rule, you will not that just like pastors and teachers, apostles and prophets, are the same people. Paul went out. Peter went out. Thomas went out. They went out under the authority of the Church and were generally sent out soley as leaders. Yes, Paul had those that traveled with him, but hardly under the banner of ‘apostolic teams’.

We can’t be co-missioned until we’re in sub-mission to the primary mission. This is true of every Believer before God. But it is especially true of apostolic teams. Setting aside personal agendas is a big part of the success of team ministry. Many teams have failed in their mission because of an individual who wanted his/her gift or opinion to be recognized.

Measure of Rule

A big misunderstanding occurs when apostles think they have the same measure of authority in every geographical location. When Paul went to Jerusalem to participate in the first Apostolic Council (see Acts 15), he submitted his experiences to the other apostles who had also gathered there. It wasn’t until James the apostle in Jerusalem spoke that there were any conclusions.

This is coded for you to begin to accept that each geographical area will have it’s own ‘apostle’ (The New Apostolic Reformation’ preaches that each state in the U.S. will have on). It was not based on geographical area. As a matter of fact, Paul covered a great deal, but was sent to only one people. And there has not been apostles have that. Instead, Bishops were given charge over the congregations. Bill is sadly mistaken about the apostolic council in Jerusalem. It was called to handle business, and it involved the Apostles and Elders. Paul did not suddenly arrive and submit to James, but was put on the agenda so to speak. It was James who was head of the Council – not just Jerusalem. Bill cannot even get history right – and you would trust him with doctrine?

A true apostle carries their apostolic authority wherever they go, but it is foolish for him to not recognize local authority. The same is true with apostolic teams. It is their respect for the local Church and the Biblical authority that helps them to serve effectively.

Authority, like favor, is for the benefit of others. It is not a title to help in building one’s own self-esteem, and is never for personal gain. For that reason, the Apostle is at the “bottom of the stack”…the “least of all.” The title simply recognizes function. And that function is to make others better and more complete in their walk with the Lord.

The Purpose of the Title

Throughout history, there have been many ordinary individuals who have become desperate for God in unusual ways and have sought God with reckless abandon. The encounters they had with God made them appear extraordinary. Their breakthrough made them household names with remarkable gifts and ministries. But when God gives someone an unusual gift, it is never for the purpose of acquiring admiration and fame, or even drawing big crowds. Those things are normal byproducts, but they are not the purpose.

The place of favor that one gets as a result of God’s unusual touch on their lives is a God-given position to equip others. It is God’s heart to take those high points of human experience in the man or woman of God and make them the new norm for the Believer. Equipping the saints becomes the focus of true fathers.

What title? Apostle? Apostle means sent one, Bill. Nothing more. Silly Bill, doctrine is for grown-ups.

The Spirit of Revelation

One of the things that helped to keep the early Church strong and healthy was their continual devotion to the apostles’ doctrine (see Acts 2:42). However, you’ll notice that there is no mention of a list of beliefs that the Bible declares to be the official record of important doctrines. It is safe to say the “apostles’ doctrine” is referring to something other than a specific list.

Peter understood this when he exhorted the Church concerning “present truth” (see 2 Peter 1:12). That phrase is to direct our attention to that which the Lord is emphasizing for this season. That is the apostle’s doctrine. The word coming from apostles is to bring clarification of the Father’s focus for the Church, and in turn strengthen our resolve to His purposes. Fresh revelation carries fresh fire, which helps us to maintain the much needed fire in our souls.

Apostles carry a blueprint in their hearts concerning the Church and God’s purposes on the earth. They are used to bring fresh revelation to the Church. Apostolic teams are sent to represent their spiritual father, and carry the word that has been entrusted to their “tribe.” They help bring an understanding and establish an order needed in the particular location they were sent to.

Uh? I thought Peter gave a pretty good set of doctrine during his sermon on Pentecost. Further, Paul laid some deep things as well, with this ‘spirit of revelation’.

‘Present truth’ – if only they had one straw to grasp…

Robertson says,

“In the present truth” (the truth present to you), parousēi present active participle of pareimi, to be beside one. See Col_1:6 for this use of parōn. Firmly established in the truth, but all the same Peter is eager to make them stronger.

The Greek word means something near, i.e., Christ, the truth that is now present in them and to them, verses Christ the mystery in the Old Testament. Of course, why would I expect them to even get basic Greek right? The Truth of God does not change from generation to generations, which is why the faith is called the ‘once for all’ faith – it doesn’t change.

The Day of Power

One of the more notable prophets of our day recently told me that he wouldn’t be able to come into all that God had created him for until the apostles came forth to their appointed place. The apostles help release the prophets into their destiny, and vice versa. In a sense they complete each other.

You realize, don’t you, that the bible speaks against those sorts of things, right? Actually, God speaks about false prophets lining up, so maybe this ‘notable prophet’ is right.

Apostolic order without apostolic power is to be questioned. Order based on Biblical principle that is lacking Biblical power is tragic at best and deceptive at worst. Order does not exist unto itself. The wineskin exists for the wine. The wine is the focus. All order exists to house God Himself – not to restrict Him, but to accurately express Him.

What? Really? What exactly is Apostolic Order?

Wineskins need to flex in order to be useful, because of the expanding nature of the wine in the fermenting process. The Holy Spirit brings constant change and to house Him means to embrace flexibility as a way of life. The goal is not to create a perfect structure or government. It is to create one that recognizes Him, and flexes with His changes.

Last Days Assignment

All of this serves one purpose – Jesus is returning for a Bride. For this to happen, the harvest must be brought in and must be “cleaned.” He’s not returning for a Bride that He has to heal up and put together like a puzzle in Heaven. He is returning for a Bride whose body is in equal proportion to her head, and whose parts work together in coordination. It’s called a “glorious Church, without spot or wrinkle” (see Ephesians 5:27) in Scripture. Anything less is an illegitimate vision.

The Bride is to make herself ready for that day (see Revelation 19:7). As Larry Randolph puts it, “It is a perversion to think that Jesus will dress the Bride before the wedding.” Our assignment is clear, and the gifts are in place. And they are all expressions of Jesus Himself. But they are simple in purpose. Represent Jesus to the world!

The fire of God must rest in the souls of men. Christians without passion are almost as great a mystery as Christians without purpose. Apostolic teams carry fresh fire with divine purpose. They enlist men and women to God’s dream, and in the process the Church steps into her destiny.

Well, Bill, the Bride is actually given new robes, wedding garments, in heaven. (Revelation 19.8)

Footnotes:
1. There are three basic levels of Biblical doctrine. 1. There are doctrines that are essential to the Christian faith – for example, Jesus is the eternal Son of God. 2. Then there are doctrines that are important, but not essential – for example, how we use the gifts of the Spirit in a church service. 3. And finally, there are doctrines that are good but not essential – for example, the exact nature and timing of Christ’s return.

2. This is never in addition to Scriptures, instead He unveils what is already there.

3. This is far from an absolute rule, as many leaders are in tune to what God is saying. However, some are more concerned with preserving past accomplishments over and above the advancement of the Kingdom. This creates a weakness that tends to miss God’s present word.

Post By Joel L. Watts (10,153 Posts)

Joel L. Watts holds a Masters of Arts from United Theological Seminary with a focus in literary and rhetorical criticism of the New Testament. He is currently a Ph.D. student at the University of the Free State, analyzing Paul’s model of atonement in Galatians. He is the author of Mimetic Criticism of the Gospel of Mark: Introduction and Commentary (Wipf and Stock, 2013), a co-editor and contributor to From Fear to Faith: Stories of Hitting Spiritual Walls (Energion, 2013), and Praying in God's Theater, Meditations on the Book of Revelation (Wipf and Stock, 2014).

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  1. there is only one doctrine that truely unites, when all obey the Father’s command from the Mount of transfiguration and listen to Jesus. the church has prostituted this command and turn it to “Listen to the Church”, and so you have the 1900 hundred years of shameful history of denominational rifts.The fathe r gave the disciples one command..”Listen to Him”, and the Lord gave the church one command,after the apostles had messed it all up..”He who has ears, let Him hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the churches.” Yes, you may hear from God..but that does not mean that anyone else is meant to listen to you, as The Lord answered Peter..what business is that of yours, as for you , you must follow me. True unity can be achieved..otherwise the Lord would not have given us the glory to achieve it (John17:21-23). It is achieved when all disciples individually listen to Jesus,as they follow Him and practice His words they have heard under the supervision of the Holy Spirit until they form a church that hears what the Holy Spirit is saying to them. So do not worry about these people who seem to be some body and yet have not been trusted by the Holy Sprit with his power without limit, preachers who need bodyguards, and their congregations to feed them. The true shepherds are the body guards of their flocks and they are the ones who feed their flocks .Oh..concerning the Bride..the angel must have been lying to John when he showed John the Bride..the city of New Jerusalem coming out of heaven.The Church is not the bride..but the body of Christ, but there is a church that is a prostitute, who sells herself to the highest bidder…anyone who will listen to her. In fact she will pay for people to listen to her, lavish her gifts on those who’d listen..just like Isreal when she prostituted herself. I know this really upsets those who think the church is the bride because they twist what Paul wrote..but hey, I didn’t call New Jerusalem the Bride,,the Angel did,,go tell him he’s wrong.(Rev 21:9) And no where is it written that we become New Jerusalem either, but that we who have washed our robes will enter her gates(Rev 22:14). What a mixed up and ignorant bunch “christians’are..all because we don’t listen to Jesus only. Dr.ed, a footstool of Jesus Christ.

  2. Being acquainted with some who have accepted the New Apostles I have been careful to investigate as much as possible with a view to the possibility of this being something ‘good’. However, as much as I try, I can’t help the feelings of shock and alarm when I read some of the writings/statements of these ‘New Apostles’. Things like the use of 2 Peter 1:12 regarding ‘this present truth’ and attempting to convince us all that this would imply that there are different ‘truths’ that develop at different times in the history of the church. I have to agree with ‘Polycarp’ on pretty much everything he says here. If there were no other problematic aspects of this New Apostolic Movement (and there appear to be many), the misuse and perversion of scripture is enough for me to shout ‘WARNING’!!! What are the ramifications of this practice? Let me make it very clear: The New Apostles will continue to pervert scripture in an attempt to convince us all that they are speaking directly from God, and that God is doing something ‘new’ that we must accept. Thus we will all be led further and further away from ‘The Truth’ which is Christ until we are completely lost and confused. It is indeed the little ‘leaven’ that spoils the whole lump. DON’T GO THERE!! We need to pray for these men and women, and church leaders who are being duped, that the Lord will reveal the error and bring them back to the straight and narrow. Although I believe in the gifts of the Spirit, and that God heals today, and does miracles etc, and speaks personally to his children, He never contradicts the written word ‘Logos’. Unfortunately, there are those who have taken the charismatic movement from the sublime to the ridiculous. Could this be ‘the great apostasy’?
    Miriam the Learner

  3. Who are u people, the sarcasm with out sound argument, are you for real, i have read bills books and have heard him minister on many occasions, i have witnessed the power of God first hand, who are u people??????

  4. Hello Poly, I was wondering when this would be discusssed. I understand where Martin is coming from. I read one of Bill’s books, the others I tossed in the trash. I listened to a few of his CD’s, the others I tossed also. I went to several of his conferences since there were held in the church I attended (noticed the past tense) and I can say, what I experienced does not match up to the power of God and what I have experienced since leaving. The power of God (this is from my view) has been how He came and totally transformed my life after I left out of that kind of following. The all of a sudden healings, the feathers falling from the ceiling (which most of the time was within range under the balcony), the finding of jewels on the foor, but then someone would come back and ask if we found a jewel that fell out of their jewelry setting and my personal favorite, gold dust on people who had been sitting in an area where a lady who had on a shirt with a glitter pattern on it had sat. Too many people do not know the real power of God, and they consider the goose bumps, the person having their shoulder popped loose and no more pain, someone getting up and walking as the big display of power, but it isn’t. That was normal in Jesus’ life and His time. The big display of God’s power is the life transformed, the person who finds supernatural health because their soul prospered and the one who bows to no man, but only to God. You want to see real power, stop listening to the NEW word and get into the word that never changes, Jesus. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He was never declared the New Word from God, but the Only Word.

    Who am I Martin, a person who knows just how Powerful God really is and I found that out not under anyone but Jesus. The confessions of an ex-bill johnson follower.

  5. Who is Bill Johnson? I don’t know you either Polycarp, but you seem like a well-intentioned soul. You’ve been hurt by people in the church haven’t you?

    Your points seemed to make some sense until I scrolled down to Bill’s footnotes- it sure seems like you may be seeing into things he wasn’t emphasizing in the context he seems pointed at. I actually think he had some incredible insight- I went and read the entire article on his website.

    You seem to be a man in love with Jesus, as does Bill Johnson. Perhaps we should get our eyes off each other and on Jesus alone.

  6. I am a Pastor of prayer and evangelism ministires in a Church in central ohio called Grove City church of the Nazarene. I am from a very conservative holiness denomination. Bill does not teach that denominations are bad but that the seperation that often accompanies them are bad I have followed the teachings of Bill Johnson for more than 4 years now and will tell you from experience that the message he preaches is a message of holiness and power. I have never heard anything remotely blasphemous in his teaching and beyond that I have seen nothing but a heart of humility and compassion in Bill. I have met him and founf this man and thise like Randy Clark whi he travels with to be incredibly awesome men of God. I have seen many that are jealous of their anointing that shoot at them blindly. The wierd thing I have seen from Christians is how we can all be part of the same body and yet hate it when our brother is being honored by God and men. I feel sad for thise who doubt everything that happens beyond what they can understand when John 21 says that of all the works of Christ were recorded that the world could not contain the books. No wonder the world thinks we are crazy! Shooting our own. Go figure!

      • I refuse to make myself an enemy of anyone that professes Christ and therefore will not shoot at you Polycarp because I do not want to be a apart of sowing nor reaping that kind of seed. In 1samuel look at Davids words,

        “1 Sam 26:9 But David said to Abishai, “Don’t destroy him! Who can lay a hand on the LORD’s anointed and be guiltless? 10 As surely as the LORD lives,” he said, “the LORD himself will strike him; either his time will come and he will die, or he will go into battle and perish. 11 But the LORD forbid that I should lay a hand on the LORD’s anointed .NIV”

        Although Saul was evil he was still chisen by God and we should keep our accusation away from the Kings kids. God will choose and thus far His favor has been on Bill and his teaching as healings and miracles by the thousands are happening and if you do not believe Bill then believe his works.John 10:25

        • Chad, we also have a biblical commandment to call out these false prophets. Bill Johnson is a false prophet. He was never called of God, and if he was, then he has long since displaced it. Don’t confuse lights and slight of hand for God.

  7. By the way, I am carrying a feather in my wallet that fell on me during one of our prayer meetings in mid summer. Does this sound wierd? No it sounds like God! What I have also seen is that people get defensive just because God moved in a unique way in your life and they say it cannot be God because it has not happened to them yet. You talk about arrogant. It is arrogance to think that Gid cannot move uniquely until He clears it with us first. If God is going to do things beyond what we ask, think, or imagine then we must know that it will be what we have not yet experienced or dreamed of experiencing.

      • And since when did the Lord appoint you as the final authority? Your response is the one I expected to get and usually do get from those who are not able to cope with something beyond explanation. If God is as manageable as you claim then He cannot be God because my bible tells me His thoughts and ways are far above and beyond mine and I choose to leave them there.

        • I never said God was manageable, Chad, but we do have measures to make. Bill fails. This does not make me the final authority, as I use the final authority – the word of God.

          You shouldn’t pick and choose what parts of the bible you read, otherwise, you come up with half truths.

          • From Genesis 1:26 until today we are created to rule on Earth and have dominion over all things. Jesus says ti His discipes that we should raise the dead, heal the sick, cleanse leoers, cast out demons, and disciples others to do the same by giving away what we have been given. Matthew 28 Jesus tells the disciples to make disciples of all nations and teach them to do everything He taught them to do. To me that means all the miracles and even the unusual signs and wonders mentioned by Paul. Mark 16 also states that the Lord worked with the disciples and confirmed their words by the signs that accompanied them. Do we not also need the same confirmation? Does John 14:12 not apply that those who believe in Him should do the same works that Chrsit did and even greater? How can we see all of this in scripture and reject it? The reason I say people reject it is because this is what I hear Bill teach every week; that we should follow the examples of Christ and our life should mimic His life on Earth because Christlikeness is the ultimate goal of Christianity. To be like Jesus is not just to carry His His meekness and kindness but also His power and Authority.

          • Chad, you realize that the covenants have changed right? And that Christ has said that His kingdom is not of this world.

            You should examine the textual criticism of Mark 16.

          • I have studied in depth the criticism of Mark 16 and found the criticisms to be without merit due to the biblical support that is offered by the majority of scripture. What about John 14? Do we throw that out to? What about Matthew 10:7-8 are these verses not applicable either? How about Paul whi states that He does not preach with wise and persuasive words but with demonstrations of power lest their hope be in the wisdom of man instead of the power of God. Paul also states that His Kingdom is not in word but in power! You are right that the covenant did change and we are now seated in heavenly places at the right hand of our Father not in theory but in actuality. The new covenant offered and enabled me to contain the fullness of the Christ and His power. Eph 4:19
            Isaiah 45:11 also speaks to the authority that the Father makes available to us so no matter which covenant we are in our Daddy’s heart and desire is still the same. Just because man sinned and forfeited their authority does not mean the plan was aborted just delayed until Christ came and we were given back the dominion.

          • Chad, I am sure that you essentially know just everything.

            No one is denying miracles. What I deny is that Billy J. has any power to do them in the name of Christ. Further, his doctrine is flawed, he seeks ‘new’ things, etc…

            ‘Our Daddy?’ Disrespectful, don’t you think?

            Our dominion is no longer over this planet. It will be destroyed. We seek now a new heaven and a new earth. You? You and Bill still want this old rock.

  8. To declare my heavenly Father as my Daddy is not disrespectful but is in complete alignment with the scripture.according to Romans 8:15. To know Him not as my Master but as a friend is the natural progression of intimacy with Jesus in John 15:15 and this intimacy is what Bill and thuse who are aligmned with him teach. It is not the rock I am after but all the souls on it. Our dominion in over this world and the spiritual realm. The scripture declares satan to be the god of this world and we have been commissioned to destroy the works of the devil and therefore take back dominion in order to win as many to Christ as possible.I can see that your mind is made uo about Bill and thise who agree with him but I would greatky encourage you to soften your heart long enough to hear his heart so you can know where he is coming from without judging him beifre you know the man.

    • Chad, it is not in alignment with anything but the tripe which passes for preaching these days from such people as Joel Osteen. I can see how blind you are to the things of God, and how you have misused the teachings of Christ, ignoring vital passages, listening to the minions of the adversary, to form your theology. We wrestle against the things unseen, yet you want us to see to take over the things seen. Christ said that His kingdom is not of this world. You want to see it made so. You want a city here, not on the other side. You so misuse the bible to fit your own political agenda that it is a shame you can call yourself a pastor. Chad, I pray for souls like you.

      • Everything I do not know but one thing I do know and it is my Father in heaven. Political agendas I do not have as I am one of the least political correct people you will ever meet. I agree that we wrestle with the unseen but the trusth is Christ created all things not just the unseen. I fight for dominion in all arenas not just the millinium but also here on earth. If Jesus did not love those in the natural here and now He would not have given His life for the here and now. Fact is that people live in the here and now and we have an assignment to do what we can to go get them. Jesus said to many that His Kingdom had come upon them adn His Kingdom had came near them. jesus brought His unseen Kingdom into this seen Kingdom to give us and example of what His Kingdom looked like. A place where there are no blind eyes, deaf ears, cancers, malaria, etc.and then tolf us to pray that His Kingdom would come ON EARTH as IT IS IN HEAVEN. If Christ were not concerned for thos world why would He tell us to pray that His Kingdom would come hear? It was so we could demonstrate the realities of heaven and confirm the word we preach and that Christ is the Lord of all instead of simply asking people to take our word for it and becoming great public speakers.. Poly, it is obvious you walk into this conversation with your mind closed to anything outside of your predetermined conclusion. As a word of wisdom, be careful who you pass judgment on, they just might be His Kids and as a father I can say that I am not happy when people come against my kids.

        • Political agendas has nothing to doing with being political correct. It is your dominionism which is a political agenda.

          ‘An assignment?’ How is that biblical?

          Chad, you are so very confused, and it is very difficult to addressed all your wrongs.

          Oh, wow, and the ‘be careful’ warning. Honestly, Chad, you need to approach Christ for real this time.

          • Poly, I will pray for you, I will pray for you. I feel sorry for you and am genuinely burdened over the level of anger and insecurity I hear in you. Bkessings!

          • Chad, trust me, I am secure in Christ, which is where you need to get to. Leave Bill and his garbage alone. Come to Christ.

  9. Polycarp is this what you do all day… criticize other Christians for doing things you have yet to accomplish? stop hating on Christians… oh and by the way learn how to Love and Honor…

    • No worries bballer04, I corrected your misspelling of my name.

      I wouldn’t call Bill Johnson a ‘Christian’, more like a charlatan. Can you prove otherwise?

      • ibethel.tv

        Look I’m not gonna try to argue, fight, or whatever… if you’ve never met the guy, spent time with him, gone to his church, and so on – Then give him some grace… at least if you are going to pick apart things that he writes, go ahead and make an attempt to meet the guy or something…

        Sorry for the misspelling of your name it wasn’t intentional

        Calling Bill a Charlatan is kinda funny… To say this man puts on a show for money is funny… He is from Weaverville CA… He has a highered lawyer who works with nonprofits and determines how much someone like Bill should make… Bill give over 40% of his wages…

        Just for once I would like to see Christians not pick-apart each other… its ridiculous and how can he be a false prophet if he has never claimed to be the Christ? and He gives Jesus all the Glory and Honor for all miracles that happen?

        • BBballer,

          You haven’t shown me in Scripture where the things that Bill does and says, namely his false prophecies, is Scriptural. A man is judge by works only on this side of eternity. Remember, Christ as already answered your question –

          On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ (Mat 7:22-23 NLT)

          • That scripture states that we can have a life of the miraculous outside of relationship… If we are in right relationship think of how much further we can go and operate in!

            Let God be the judge and not you… You don’t know Bill J… You Don’t know how his relationship with God is… All YOU do is pick apart what He writes or says and compare it to you interpretation of life…

            Your a loved man, so don’t allow past hurts or discouragements set the standard or your belief systems…

            Sorry I didn’t know I was required to use scripture in this discussion…

            but here you go… just for you

            Eph 3 – I pray this over you Sir…
            (that) He (God) would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

            have a great life… I hope you don’t end up in heaven and see what you missed out on in life!

          • BBballer, first, if you state ‘scripture says’ can do not back it up, then you are essentially speaking a lie. Consider the bible says that the false prophet will come with false signs and wonders, and others before him and after him the same, you have proven yourself ready to accept the False Prophet.

            Actually, the bible says to try the spirits and to guard the flock. We cannot judge the character of a person, but we can speak as to whether or not they are doing something wrong.

            You are required to use Scripture if you think that what Bill is doing is of God. Since you have no biblical foundation, you don’t have an argument.

            Your prayers are in vain, as you clearly reject God.

  10. Dear Mr. Polycarp,

    I recently left my central ohio church after “testing the spirits”
    and finding them to be servants of Satan, preaching a different
    gospel than the gospel of the Bible, and worshipping a different Jesus.

    I thank you for speaking out against heretics and false-teachers who
    are infaltrating our churches, and our Nazarene denomination.
    We need more Watchmen on the Wall like yourself who are willing to
    admonish these prideful pastors, and call them to repentance. Better
    to be admonished our brethren now, than to stand before the Lord with the
    souls of many on your hands because you caused them to stumble into the
    hands of the enemy and are accused of idolatry.

    Keep fighting. Back EVERYTHING up with the Word! This apostasy is
    THE GREAT APOSTASY, and the blood of many souls rests upon these
    false-teachers if they do not come to repentance. We must warn them,
    rebuke them, avoid them, and name them by name….this is all in
    accoradance to God’s Holy Word.

    Visit ConcernedNazarenes.org, or Take A Stand Ministries for additional
    information about this end-times apostasy and how you can stay informed
    and involved.

    God Bless You!

    • Thank you, Angie. Sometimes, one needs to hear nice words. I’ll look into that group and see if I can post on it.

      • Re-reading my own comment, I need to make a correction.

        These men are NOT our brethren. They are false-teachers. And
        they will be judged accordingly. We have a responsibility to
        warn them to seek repentance, to warn others of their heresies,
        to call them out by name, and stay away from them! This is all
        Biblical, and found in almost every book of the New Testament.

        I pray for men like you, Chad Cline, that you will truly seek
        the Lord, and come to repentance for the MANY that you have
        caused to stumble. The road is narrow. We need the true gospel
        to be taughted and preached to a body of Bible believing
        Christians who are hungry for God’s pure and infallable Word.
        We are not hungry for the gosepl of Bill Johnson, knowing that
        he might just send us down the broad path that leads to an
        eternal hell….etneral….that’s forever and ever and ever.

  11. Christian, everyone has been hurt by church people, but that is besides the point. Bill Johnson is in love with power and another Jesus, the NAR. His doctrine is false, and his lies easy to see through.

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