False Prophets promote Sarah Palin – Why are you?

I am a skeptic, naturally, of spiritual feelings, dreams, and nearly everything dealing with the pneuma. I take it quite literally the command of ‘try the spirits’. I try them, run them through the ringer you might say, beating them to a bloody pulp and if they stand then I follow, but as I watched this video, the Spirit moved within me and I was sickened, frightened, and a sense of hastening moved upon me. How much time do we have left?

The video below is of a false prophet Julie Meyer who is an associate of Extreme Prophetic’s Patricia King and is tied to the Bob Jones Ministry along with The Elijah List which is a part of Lou Engle’s Joel’s Army.And guess who they are supporting as ‘God’s Ticket’? Friends, Sarah Palin is not on God’s ‘ticket’. There is no such thing. I don’t like beating a dead horse, but friends, there is a reason why Christ told His people to come out of Babylon… and He was not meaning the Catholic Church or the Denominational Churches.

Do you believe what she said? Do you really buy into it? If you don’t, tell me, why do you think the adversary is using his broad army of false prophets to usher in this ticket?

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”  (John 18:36 NKJV)

From here (who goes the hat tip for this post)

Like the boy who cried wolf, every four years Christians pull out this passage to ensure that the faithful understand that “This Election Is the Most Critical One Our Nation Has Ever Faced.™”

The passage in question:

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. —2 Chronicles 7:14

I am tempted here to cover the first clause, but I am not; that is not the topic of this post. We have to remember that when God talks about His people, He is not talking about political boundaries – at least not under the New Covenant (And remember, we are under the New Covenant, so those promises to Israel are overwhelmingly given to the Church). Instead, He speaks about the spiritual boundaries – the Church. The United States is NOT the Church. Christ DID NOT die to make this country free or to create the Republican Party. Christ is not a Republican. Please don’t be fooled into supporting what is quickly showing itself as the ticket of Revelation 13.

Does this worry anyone esle?

Post By Joel Watts (9,928 Posts)

Joel L. Watts holds a Masters of Arts from United Theological Seminary with a focus in literary and rhetorical criticism of the New Testament. He is currently a Ph.D. student at the University of the Free State, working on the use of Deuteronomy in the Fourth Gospel. He is the author of Mimetic Criticism of the Gospel of Mark: Introduction and Commentary (Wipf and Stock, 2013), a co-editor and contributor to From Fear to Faith: Stories of Hitting Spiritual Walls (Energion, 2013), and Praying in God's Theater, Meditations on the Book of Revelation (Wipf and Stock, 2014).

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52 thoughts on False Prophets promote Sarah Palin – Why are you?

  1. I’m being rebuked on my blog for calling Gov. Palin out on her bearing of false witness against Sen. Obama, when she accused him of “palling around” with a terrorist.

    Three comments have questioned whether I’m really a Christian because I pointed out that lying about a political opponent gets right into the Ten Commandments.

    These people have twisted Christian-looking teaching and use it to back up their candidates even when they are flagrantly violating the Scripture they supposedly uphold.

  2. Yes, sir, I believe that you are right and right to question why you still have friends. a ‘friend of mine’ attempted a rebuke for my thoughts about the Governor. It did not go over well.

  3. That was weird. I don’t even know what she was talking about. Why were they swaying? Why does she repeat herself over and over? Are they trying to work themselves up into some sort of spiritual frenzy or something? Very weird. I agree with you that there is no such things as “God’s ticket.” Although I’m voting for McCain, it isn’t because I think he’s wonderful or Palin is wonderful.

    Are they pentecostal? I was raised that people who talk in tongues and are pentecostal are often devil possessed. It was hard for me to even talk to someone pentecostal. But I met a really nice, sincere lady from that relgion a few years back, and it helped me think some of them really love the Lord. There’s no way I could go to one of their churches though.

  4. Farrah, I will not get into the ‘tongue-speakers’ here, as we would have a disagreement on the doctrine of Cessationism, although we might agree on some of these pentecostals.

    I believe that they are attempting to work themselves and others into a frenzy which they feel will give them some authority to say what they say.

    Why then are you voting for McCain-Palin?

  5. Because I don’t feel that I have any reasonable alternative.

    That is fine not to have a discussion on tongues, but do you speak in tongues?

  6. First, I am unsure as to your starting point, but do not compare us to the pentecostals when I say that we believe in speaking in tongues. But we also believe in ministers and not everyone is a minister.

  7. Oh, I think I know what you meant by starting point. My first line was an answer to your question about why I am voting for the McCain ticket.

  8. No, no…sorry about that. I mean, I don’t know what your foundation for ‘speaking in tongues’ is. My fault.

    A good many times, people vision these extremely charismatics when they speaking in tongues (I grew up Baptist). I was just wondering where you viewpoint came from.

    I do not believe in ‘speaking in tongues’ in the manner of many of these charismatics.

  9. Oh ok. Yes, I come from very negative teaching on tongues. I was taught that speaking in tongues means we now speak more purely (new tongues) or that we are gifted with picking up foreign languages easily, or that when we speak, others can actually understand our words in their own language. The “gibberish” or “babbling” is either made up or being produced with the help of an evil spirit. I had read stories by godly men whose firsthand accounts of their experiences with tongues people sounded absolutely terrifying. I was basically afraid of people who say they talk in tongues.

    So ingrained is this teaching in me, that it is still difficult for me to think of a person who talks in tongues as being a true believer. After I left the church I grew up in, my Lord began knocking my beliefs out from under my feet. Slowly but surely, many manmade doctrines have been taken from me. The challenge has been letting them go, as I do not want to be deceived, either. I am cautious. Sometimes I just say, “OK, Lord. But you will have to help me if you test me in this.” At one point it was so drastic, that I remember weeping desperately and crying out to God for help. It felt as if all that I had so comfortably rested in my whole life was being taken away, truths I had taken for granted no longer seemed true. It was like falling and not knowing where the ground might be. And yet, through it all I have clung to Jesus, and He has been Wonderful. I am still surprised at the things I continue to learn and the prejudices I continue to give up. So my experience with meeting a very sincere Christian (who believe in tongues) a few years back was an important one.

    In fact, I am in the process of questioning one of my prejudices now, in my discussions with you. In the past I would have given you up immediately as being a book-learned religious person with nothing more than head knowledge…lacking a real personal relationship with Jesus. Especially if you have had any formal relgious teaching. I was always taught that going to school to learn spiritual truth is wrong and will fill one’s head with a bunch of false doctrines.

  10. Farrah, I too was raised with anti-intellectualism, but have embraced theological studies – which is not for everyone, as not all gifts are. I find that it strengthens my faith. Indeed, looking at the New Testament writers, most were somewhat studied and well learned. Luke, Paul, and John all bring us deep theology.

    Speaking in tongues is at times insane babbling, but there is, like anything with Christ, something real that has been co-opted by the adversary. I do not believe that it is the center of the service or the worship of God. Read what Paul wrote…he spoke in tongues, but used it as a private communion. It is a sign for those that believe.

  11. I know sometimes in the Word it sounds like an unknown language. But in other passages it could be seen differently. In one place it is referred to as a gift:

    I Cor. 12:30 “Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?” Obvious answer is, “No.” This definitely implies that not all of God’s people speak with tongues.

    In another it is a sign of God’s people:

    Mark 16:7 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;”

    But I was taught “new tongues” would be speaking more purely. “Let no corrupt communication come out of your mouth.” Hence, “new” tongues.

    Sometimes it says “diverse” tongues as if it could mean many languages, which would go along with the idea that it is a gift for speaking various existing languages.

    If there is a tongue unknown to man, I definitely don’t have the gift to speak it, because it has never happened. I have never seen it done by anyone I really respect spiritually. But then, I am pretty close-minded to it. It is most likely something I will never experience, but at least I am not thinking of every person who does it in such a negative way.

    Although Paul spoke with tongues, I don’t feel that he spoke very highly of the ability. He said that prophecy is a greater gift, practically discouraged it from being done in church unless there is an interpreter. He said it is useful as a sign for unbelievers. This would go along with the fact that on the day of Pentecost, everyone heard them in their own languages. And, yes, he did it privately.

    “Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.”

    This is totally off topic. Sorry about that.

  12. It is not off topic. If you were a first time commenter who just randomly post it, maybe, but since you are not, it ain’t.

    Farrah, if it was merely ‘pure communications’ then why did the Jews in the streets assume that they were drunk?

    I believe that it is a the initial sign and the continued use of it is a gift. Paul was writing the the Corinthians who used it to beat each other up with. He didn’t think highly of those that sought gifts over the gospel of Christ, which the Corinthians were doing.

    If you read the book of Acts, you will note that the Holy Ghost always fell with power, and in the the case of Pentecost, Cornelius, and the disciples of John the Baptist, speaking in tongues accompanied the Holy Ghost. Paul also called it tongues of (men and) angels.

    Again, Farrah, remove from your thought how you have seen Pentecostals would go into a spiritual frenzy. I have not seen that in our Church and would be worried if I did.

  13. Yes, yes. Good thoughts. But I have noticed that when the Holy Ghost came things varied greatly. Sometimes it mentions tongues, sometimes not. Sometimes it was accompanied by water baptism, sometimes not. I think it depended on who was present. The tongues was a sign that others around noticed. I feel that the most important common thing is the heart, which only God can see. If the heart is where it should be, all these other things are just signs of that. I don’t believe there is an exact recipe. I could discuss this in depth from the perspective of the doctrine I was raised on, but I would rather not. It’s an area I need more from the Lord.

  14. Farrah,

    Salvation is always accompanied by baptism. Baptism is commanded by both Christ and the Apostles Peter and Paul.

    Acts 2.4, the Holy Ghost descends upon the Apostles who were already baptized. Speaking in tongues occur

    Acts 2.41, those that received the Gospel were baptized (note, it does not mention that the Holy Ghost fell)

    Acts 8:15, the Samaritans received the Holy Ghost, but were already baptized

    Acts 8.36, the Eunuch received the word of Philip and was baptized. (Note, the Holy Ghost was not yet given to the Gentiles, of whom the Eunuch was)

    Acts 9.17, Paul received the Holy Ghost and was baptized

    Acts 10.44-48, The Gentiles (Cornelius) received the Holy Ghost, spoke in tongues, and was baptized.

    Acts 19:1-6, the disciples of John the Baptized, although baptized in John’s baptism with a view towards repentance, were rebaptized, received the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues.

    Seems pretty standard to me, Farrah

  15. I thought I remembered reading times when baptism wasn’t done, but I could be wrong. It isn’t an issue to me. I was baptized. Jesus was even baptized and said it “becometh us to fulfill all righteousness.” But I have had discussions with people from a certain religion, and they have a step-by-step recipe for being filled with the Holy Ghost. I can’t remember if baptism always preceeds it or follows, but they are particular about the order.

  16. I think I’m going to take a break from here for a time, but I’ll be thinking about things we discussed as I read the Word. I appreciate the time you took corresponding. :-)

  17. Some have ears to hear but don’t hear. Eyes to see but don’t see. The blind leading the blind. In Bible history God has sent plagues, pestilence and famine. God also sent an agent for change to do his will. Try the spirits and see if they be of God.
    Jesus is a liberal. He fed 4,000 and another 5,000 because they were hungy. The masses are hungry.
    Today God hears prayers from people who have never prayed before. He has sent an ecconomic famine to humble the proud. Famine to humble the bigot minded people. God has raised a messenger just as he has in Bible history to turn the face of the church back to him once again. We have sinned and come short.
    In the latter day’s I will pour out my spirit amongst all flesh. Not just white, rich or famous.
    The wrath of God has only begun. Change is coming like a snow storm. You can’t stop it or control it.
    Therefore, humble yourself and pray, seek my face and turn from your wickedness and I will heal the land. Reject me and I will destroy your houses your land and your life. Thus sayith the Lord

  18. I see through your thinly veiled references to a particular candidate, Phil, and I’m sorry to say that you’re just as wrong as the ‘false prophets’ of the video. Here’s my problem with this election (and countless before it): neither ticket is of the Lord. Neither the Alaska governor nor the Illinois senator are the saviors that their backers make them out to be. I tremble to think of the mentality that has led this country to encourage our elected leaders to rule as monarchs rather than public servants. Trust not in the politicians of this world, but in God alone.

  19. Dan, I would know that a good many people see Obama as a Messianic figure, which I disagree with. The same was said of George W. as well.

    It is a sin to see any candidate as a saviour of anything – instead I see one as prolonging the inevitable with hopes of making like a bit better for a while.

  20. Dan,
    Of a truth we do trust in God alone. As I stated, we have eyes to see but don’t see. Our spiritual eye which should be looking to God, will see God, if we look to him and not people. God does things that we don’t see because our thoughts and intent are carnal. Try the spirits to see if they be of God. If they are consistent with his word and his will.
    When I see, yes, Obama bringing people together not just in the U.S., but all around the world with hope and inspiration like never seen before, I can only see the will of God. Remember Jesus gave us this commandment- That We Love One Another.
    A message of love is a message of God. The mud slinging and divisive rhetoric exemplified in this campaign is adverse to God’s plan of salvation. Search your heart and scripture then pray that God will illuminate his purpose.
    I don’t think it sin to see God’s favor in a particular candidate, nor do I think is sane to ignore the bitterness of another.
    God has and will accomplish what he wants. His word will not return void.

  21. Thanks Polycarp,
    I think the spirit of fear is evident. What does God want for us? God want’s us to have a sound mind because fear has torment. The negatives surrounding this election cycle have resounded the adverse message of the fruit of the Spirit. The battle between love and hate have reached the heavens much like the era of Jim Crow and segregation.
    God has and will make change. He sends messengers to make change.
    Satan has influenced hatred in a way that challenges even the devout evangelical. His hatred for God’s purpose is evident during this political process.
    Jesus stated “he that is for us is not against us”. The candadidate that speaks love, hope, peace is the canidate I think best represents God’s plan. When we let fear consume us, we quench God’s spirit, therefore giving Satan an opening to create grief and havoc.

    May God allow the fruits of his Spirit – love, joy, peace, happiness, meekness, long sufferring and temperance have free reign on earth.

  22. Well I guess her prophesy about Ohio being the main battleground state and that McCaan and Palin would win not only that state but the election has not come true. This make her a false prophet because her prophesy did not come true. As with all things, time will tell much of the story. Ever since I first listened to her on this blog and read this blog I was watching to see if there was truth in her words. Sorry, time proved she is a false prophet. THE END

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