It has not been a good time for Canadian faith healers.
Not only did Abbotsford’s tattooed Todd Bentley leave his controversial Florida healing ministry last month over a scandal about a woman and his aggressive style, another big-name B.C.-based faith healer has also suddenly stopped his ministry. Len Lindstrom of Kelowna says he’s not going to church and has turned his marketing skills to stock promoting.
But this month Lindstrom told Baines he no longer attends church and is putting his efforts into Liberty International Mineral Corp., which is active in Liberia and which he has said may open the doors for Christian philanthropy in Africa. At one point in his ministry Lindstrom claimed 125,000 Liberians came to one of his events, breaking down the fence barriers to come to the Lord. While Lindstrom doesn’t deny the reality of healing through faith, it’s clear he is putting his sales skills into other corporate priorities.
Joel L. Watts holds a Masters of Arts from United Theological Seminary with a focus in literary and rhetorical criticism of the New Testament. His interests include exploring the role of mimesis in human civilization, specifically in the study of religion and media, as well as science fiction and the way in which it has allowed mythology to be explored in light of scientific discoveries of the past century. He is the author of Mimetic Criticism of the Gospel of Mark: Introduction and Commentary (Wipf and Stock, 2013) and a co-editor and contributor to From Fear to Faith: Stories of Hitting Spiritual Walls (Energion, 2013).
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just a few words regarding your story on Evangelist Len Lindstrom. When you try and destroy an anointed man of God it is very dangerous. You probably don’t care, but the Holy Spirit does. And when you try and destroy anyone who a brother or sister in the Lord, you are destroying the Lord Jesus Christ. A real believer of the Lord Jesus Christ does not destroy his own. Evangelist Len Lindstrom is one of the most powerful anointed men of God for our country of Canada, and he will touch this nation of Canada with anointed preaching full of the Holy GHost and Fire with miracles just like bible days. Pentecostal christians turned the world upside down in the New Testament church. They were the church. This country of Canada is going see mighty powerful Holy GHost and Firey preachers touch this nation of Canada. We are desperate for a move like the Book of Acts, we will have a move of God inspite of religious people who are desperate to destroy any born again HOly GHost filled believers. WE will pray for you David, remember King David, much mercy given over and over. The side of mercy is much better for your life especially when you come to the end.
I read your blog about Evangelist Len Linstron that you wrote a year ago do you still think he is a man of integrity and anointed of God . Like to here your comment on this.
Thank you Dave
I have never thought he was a man of integrity or anointed of God, Dave
Hey Lamb family,….just out of curiosity,..do you still believe he is a man of God in light of everything that has happened in the 3 years since your posting?
just a few words regarding your story on Evangelist Len Lindstrom. When you try and destroy an anointed man of God it is very dangerous. You probably don’t care, but the Holy Spirit does. And when you try and destroy anyone who a brother or sister in the Lord, you are destroying the Lord Jesus Christ. A real believer of the Lord Jesus Christ does not destroy his own. Evangelist Len Lindstrom is one of the most powerful anointed men of God for our country of Canada, and he will touch this nation of Canada with anointed preaching full of the Holy GHost and Fire with miracles just like bible days. Pentecostal christians turned the world upside down in the New Testament church. They were the church. This country of Canada is going see mighty powerful Holy GHost and Firey preachers touch this nation of Canada. We are desperate for a move like the Book of Acts, we will have a move of God inspite of religious people who are desperate to destroy any born again HOly GHost filled believers. WE will pray for you David, remember King David, much mercy given over and over. The side of mercy is much better for your life especially when you come to the end.
You are desperate, alright, if you believe that Len is/was a great man of God.
By the way, the threats do very little, except to show your foolishness in believing that this man is of God.
You are desperate, alright, if you believe that Len is/was a great man of God.
By the way, the threats do very little, except to show your foolishness in believing that this man is of God.
I’ve been to two or three of Len Lindstrom’s meetings. God was present. He used Mr. Lindstrom to heal people who attended these particular meetings. I later heard that more meetings were scheduled, to be held across Canada, and had to be cancelled due to lack of funding. If we, as Canadians are not willing to support our own, then those who are called of God have to go somewhere else.
Whether he has a relationship with God right now, I don’t know, but I would be very cautious in criticizing him, when it is we, as so-called Canadian Christians who have let him down. We, as a group, refused to financially support a work when it was very evident that God was using Mr. Lindstrom to further God’s agenda both in Canada and overseas.
I pray that we all find the Truth.
I’ve been to two or three of Len Lindstrom’s meetings. God was present. He used Mr. Lindstrom to heal people who attended these particular meetings. I later heard that more meetings were scheduled, to be held across Canada, and had to be cancelled due to lack of funding. If we, as Canadians are not willing to support our own, then those who are called of God have to go somewhere else.
Whether he has a relationship with God right now, I don’t know, but I would be very cautious in criticizing him, when it is we, as so-called Canadian Christians who have let him down. We, as a group, refused to financially support a work when it was very evident that God was using Mr. Lindstrom to further God’s agenda both in Canada and overseas.
I pray that we all find the Truth.
The Lindstroms and their associates are a bunch of two bit con artists who are ripping off their congregations, employees and the Canadian Government. Their “mineral exploration” company is a scam. And, from what I understand, there are angry mobs in Liberia who want all of their heads.
The Lindstroms and their associates are a bunch of two bit con artists who are ripping off their congregations, employees and the Canadian Government. Their “mineral exploration” company is a scam. And, from what I understand, there are angry mobs in Liberia who want all of their heads.
Hot Karl Jr. If you have real proof they are cons I would like to hear from you at yandg.1@email.com
Hot Karl Jr. If you have real proof they are cons I would like to hear from you at yandg.1@email.com
Polycarp. Can you email me at yandg.1@email.com to discuss lindstrom
It is very unlikely that Len Lindstrom is “God’s right hand man”. He recently has left over $500 000 of unpaid bills all over the small town of Salmo BC. I’m not sure why this is not a criminal offence in Canada, but if there is a God, he will be punished.
He’s a crook. I guarantee you that!
for proof, talk to anyone that has worked for Liberty. Almost every contractor on the winter drilling program was not paid. The drilling company was left with a $300 000 unpaid bill. Almost every account they have is not paid. There was very little work ever done, nor did they seem interested in hiring the right people to get the job done. Dave Wallach is the BC project manager. It is clear that he has no experience, and it is unlikely that he made it to Grade 9. The only thing that Liberty International Mineral Corp. has done, is scam people.
Never met a man of god that drank and smoked and swore more than lucky len,he is less than a piece s*** and you who praise him should wake up before it’s to late.I personally have seen him so drunk that he didn’t even know how to get to where he was going.Those of you who stand behind him have been brainwashed and need to do some reasearch on Leonard Allen Lindstrom ,so u people can stop making fool’s out of yourselfs. I hope that by writing this i have saved at least one poor soul from giving there money or there life’s saving to him.He is not god or a spoke’s person for him he is more like the DEVIL!!!!!!!! wAKE UP BIBLE THUMPER’S
Never met a man of god that drank and smoked and swore more than lucky len,he is less than a piece s*** and you who praise him should wake up before it’s to late.I personally have seen him so drunk that he didn’t even know how to get to where he was going.Those of you who stand behind him have been brainwashed and need to do some reasearch on Leonard Allen Lindstrom ,so u people can stop making fool’s out of yourselfs. I hope that by writing this i have saved at least one poor soul from giving there money or there life’s saving to him.He is not god or a spoke’s person for him he is more like the DEVIL!!!!!!!! wAKE UP BIBLE THUMPER’S
Oh Dear Folks. 9 May 2010
I am so very saddened by this whole discussion – on two fronts.
One that Len appears, to have backslid, or at best lost his direction.
But also at the misunderstanding of many, probably including his critics.
However let us look at some scriptures. In the book of Acts we read:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
God has only approved ONE man in this manner. Jesus of Nazareth. But so often we the Christian church, foolishly apply the same expectations to all those with a ministry. The church has a sad history of elevating ministries way above their status, and those who do this, become part of the problem.
But any subsequent healing ministry can only be in the NAME OF JESUS.
THE POWER IS ONLY IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and in Him alone!
Miracles do not endorse the preacher, they only endorse the name of Jesus Christ and that He was resurrected from the dead!
Other scriptures confirm.
Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted [him] up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
Act 3:12 B.Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus;
Act 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
Back in 1987 I was very privileged to travel with Len through Papua New Guinea as he preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. I heard a man preach the gospel very well and was in a position to be a witness to the testimony of those who were also healed in the name of Jesus Christ. There was no conniving or manipulation, wonders happened and people were healed after the gospel was preached.
One thing that was on my heart as we traveled together with Len as he preached the gospel was the following verse.
2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
As I traveled with Len I could see a regular guy, but who had been given a ministry.
The magnificence of it, was in the NAME he preached.
I see in scripture two very clear messages which appear to be at odds with each other. But they are not! They perfectly dovetail. The scriptures below echo the apparent contradiction.
We see the apostles prayed the following after the day of Pentecost.
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
The book of Acts carries that testimony that, many signs were done in the Name of Jesus.
But it is repeatedly recorded that Jesus said the following:
Mat 12:39 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
But when we look at and accept both these scriptures we see the beauty of it.
This is so often what the church misses.
Any sign from God given to the heathen, witnesses this and this only!
Jesus Christ rose from the dead!
But unfortunately often the church thinks that a man who works miracles is some super model who can not fail and if he does he always was a tyrant. But working miracles is not a sign of super model status on behalf of the preacher. He is only a regular guy who has the same temptations as we all do. He has no supernova status. But he does have an extra burden, that which I think causes many to fail. The church falsely lifts them so high that they have to fall over from their falsely elevated position.
BUT any healing or miracle worked in the name of Jesus Christ always testifies to one thing and that one thing only. Jesus arose from the dead!
It is never an endorsement of the preacher, or his teaching or his church or anything else. The only sign portion is – That Jesus arose from the dead.
So Christians please do not elevate these people in your mind to infallible status and leave off the drum roll. At best these ministries are sinners saved by grace, who have been given a gift – which is given without repentance, so it can still be activated by a back slider. I think we often see this happening if you look around.
God has had many problems with delinquent preachers before, you need go no further than considering Jonas for that!
Your brother in Christ
Max Tooley
Manurewa
New Zealand
It would seem to me that you have elevated your own self-importance.
Joel, you do not know Max and cannot possibly know whether his motive was to elevate his own self-importance. Reading Max’s comments, I struggle to find a basis for your accusation: “It would seem to me that you have eleveated your own self-importance.” What an unkind thing to say to someone you do not know. I struggle to find any brotherly love, in that statement. Max appeals to Scripture and if you believe that people who quote Scripture are trying to elevate their own importance, then every New Testament author is guilty along with Max. I agree with Max’s sound reasoning and since he is not talking about himself, I find your accusation of him baseless and tasteless. If you have the humility to do so, I think you should apologize.
And now, at risk of being accused of elevating my own self-importance, I leave us all with a quote from Philippians that I think applies well to how we think of Len and everyone else who has preached the Gospel:
Some indeed actually preach Christ out of envy and contentiousness but there are also others who do it from good will. These latter preach Him from love to me, knowing that I am here for the defence of the Good News; while the others proclaim Him from motives of rivalry, and insincerely, supposing that by this they are embittering my imprisonment. What does it matter, however? In any case Christ is preached—either perversely or in honest truth; and in that I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice. (Philippans 1:15-18, Weymouth)
Oh Dear Folks. 9 May 2010
I am so very saddened by this whole discussion – on two fronts.
One that Len appears, to have backslid, or at best lost his direction.
But also at the misunderstanding of many, probably including his critics.
However let us look at some scriptures. In the book of Acts we read:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
God has only approved ONE man in this manner. Jesus of Nazareth. But so often we the Christian church, foolishly apply the same expectations to all those with a ministry. The church has a sad history of elevating ministries way above their status, and those who do this, become part of the problem.
But any subsequent healing ministry can only be in the NAME OF JESUS.
THE POWER IS ONLY IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and in Him alone!
Miracles do not endorse the preacher, they only endorse the name of Jesus Christ and that He was resurrected from the dead!
Other scriptures confirm.
Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted [him] up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
Act 3:12 B.Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus;
Act 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
Back in 1987 I was very privileged to travel with Len through Papua New Guinea as he preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. I heard a man preach the gospel very well and was in a position to be a witness to the testimony of those who were also healed in the name of Jesus Christ. There was no conniving or manipulation, wonders happened and people were healed after the gospel was preached.
One thing that was on my heart as we traveled together with Len as he preached the gospel was the following verse.
2Cr 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
As I traveled with Len I could see a regular guy, but who had been given a ministry.
The magnificence of it, was in the NAME he preached.
I see in scripture two very clear messages which appear to be at odds with each other. But they are not! They perfectly dovetail. The scriptures below echo the apparent contradiction.
We see the apostles prayed the following after the day of Pentecost.
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
The book of Acts carries that testimony that, many signs were done in the Name of Jesus.
But it is repeatedly recorded that Jesus said the following:
Mat 12:39 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
But when we look at and accept both these scriptures we see the beauty of it.
This is so often what the church misses.
Any sign from God given to the heathen, witnesses this and this only!
Jesus Christ rose from the dead!
But unfortunately often the church thinks that a man who works miracles is some super model who can not fail and if he does he always was a tyrant. But working miracles is not a sign of super model status on behalf of the preacher. He is only a regular guy who has the same temptations as we all do. He has no supernova status. But he does have an extra burden, that which I think causes many to fail. The church falsely lifts them so high that they have to fall over from their falsely elevated position.
BUT any healing or miracle worked in the name of Jesus Christ always testifies to one thing and that one thing only. Jesus arose from the dead!
It is never an endorsement of the preacher, or his teaching or his church or anything else. The only sign portion is – That Jesus arose from the dead.
So Christians please do not elevate these people in your mind to infallible status and leave off the drum roll. At best these ministries are sinners saved by grace, who have been given a gift – which is given without repentance, so it can still be activated by a back slider. I think we often see this happening if you look around.
God has had many problems with delinquent preachers before, you need go no further than considering Jonas for that!
Your brother in Christ
Max Tooley
Manurewa
New Zealand
It would seem to me that you have elevated your own self-importance.
Lenny boy has spent over $20 million dollars of shareholders money and has nothing to show for it with Liberty International Minerals. For you bible thumpers who think he is one of the chosen few, get your head out of the sand and take a real look at what this guy is. He continues to tout Liberty to a new group of wallets and get them to pay his bills while he has not had any communication with shareholders for almost a year. He promises the world and has delivered nothing. Suggest one stay far away from this joker
Are you a shareholder of Liberty?
Lisa, I was at several of his meetings too. He told a story about blind men in Liberia who got their sight back after he prayed for him. I watched his body language and looked into his eyes when he said that. I am 90% certain these men did not get their sight back.
Furthermore,…I could be offended at you for saying, 'we so-called Christians let him down.' Have you invested into Liberty? Are you one of the 700 or so people who gave Len an average of $25,000 or more but has not seen or heard anything for a year? Do you know some of the evidence and facts that have come to light? Do you know he paid himself an annual salary of $198,000 per year plus expenses? Did you know he was driving a Hummer around with our money? Did you know he used shareholder money to pay for improvements to the Liberty building which is owned his family? Do you know about all the airline tickets, hotels and fancy meals he indulged in all around the world these last 5 years?
I invested EVERYTHING into Liberty, and have not received any formal email with news from them. The only news is what we discovered ourselves online or other methods,..eg the BC cease trade order Sept 2009, the AB cease trade order Nov 2009.
I pray we all find the truth too Lisa. The truth has a way of coming to the light as God tells us. That seems to be happening these days. Many things about Liberty have come to the light recently and the majority of it is not good news.
Actually the problem seems to be that the bills are not getting paid. That is the scary thing. It sounds like the company has lost most of the BC properties. These should never have been pursued in my mind. The Liberia properties are only good until about October. What I do agree with you is, the company has not delivered on any promises it has made in the last 5 years. It always came close to it, but then something always came up to prevent it.
In my mind the real tragedy is, according to my geology friends, there probably is large amounts of gold and diamonds in Liberia. So Liberty is not a scam like Bre-X or other such companies. My personal opinion, with the information that is coming to light is, that Liberty could have become a successful publicly traded company except for financial mismanagement, some bad decisions and bad timing.
The company still has a weak heart beat but is so mired in debt that it will take a miracle to save it. Also, evidence is emerging that Len could have secured large financing for the company except he stubbornly refused to give up his majority of shares, in other words, he refused to relinquish control and leave the drivers seat.
LEN LINDSTROM if you are reading this,…stop thinking only of yourself. Think of the 700 people who could loose everything. I understand you want to remain the majority shareholder, but if giving up 51% or more of your personal shares will save the company, then DO IT!! Stop being so stubborn and listen to the wise advisors sent to you.
You will never see your money again… He has been ripping off people for many many years. Once this is done with he will find new ways of getting money. He has always lived off of other people and will continue to do so. As long as there are gullible people that think he is a man of god or even gives 2 sh*ts about anybody then he will succeed.. he needs to be behind bars. The sad thing is he has taught his children how to be useless too.
Hi Bob, are you the same Bob who posted a comment on the other Todd Bentley article? I am very curious to know more about Len and his activities. Are you from Kelowna and also a Liberty shareholder? It will take a miracle to save Liberty with Len at the helm, however this is another possibility although it is a long shot. My hope is that Len will be forced to give up the majority of his shares and perhaps a more responsible person could take over the company. I can not but continue to hope.
another burnt investor… I am sorry to hear that you have been burnt too. Time to put this man behind bars for his fraudulent behavior. CIVIL ACTION LAW SUIT is the only thing that can be done now. Lenny Boy … come clean … sell all those homes in Kelowna and your boat, the office…… time to pay your debts !!! Also Lisa: do you smoke dope ? Are you for real ? come on girl… he has scammed over 700 people… get real !
All those homes? Just how many does he own? He should definitely stand trial and be forced to sell them to pay his debts. At the very least I want a ride in the boat, a tour of the office and then a drive in the hummer. Of course,..that would still not completely compensate me for my lifes savings. Burnt investor, do you know of any civil action lawsuit in the works? I hope it happens.
There is no civil law suit yet. It would take many people and a large wallet to pursue this in court. The sad part is that Lenny Boy knows this. The hummer was taken back by GMC as he couldn't sucker anyone else into paying his lease back earlier this year. Currently Lenny Boy is hiding in his home and not answering any calls. Go figure ! I understand he has 2 homes and the office, and a boat, wife's car… as for other possessions I am not aware of them. I wonder if Lenny Boy will resort to the bible thumping gig again to keep up his lifestyle and his family ?
You forgot to mention the grow-ops that the family is also involved in. These are bad people doing bad things. Hopefully karma will come back to get them. no jail sentence will be long enough for Len. as for the Bible Thumping, Faith Healing B.S. He will definiately take that back up. As long as there a trusting, innocent and gullible people out there willing to give the last dollar for a glimmer of hope, he will be there to take it. Nice life you have led Lenny.
If there are 700 shareholders than we need to find at least one who is a lawyer and then maybe this civil law suit could be possible and affordable. Is it possible to force Len to provide contact info for all the shareholders? I have contacted a few and found them to be largely in the dark. The sad thing is that only Len knows who they all are. All the shareholders should organize themselves and take legal action. At the very least, we should see how and where all the money went. Whether or not Len goes to jail, the WHOLE truth needs to come to light.
you bring up an interesting question Libinvestor : “how do we get the list of investors”, one we can talk to a lawyer and I will try to get that question answered for you. Two, we place ads in the papers in Vancouver, Kelowna, Calgary, other places out west asking people if they want to get involved in a civil action lawsuit. Also, use the internet to find people, facebook , start a Len Lindstrom NON-FAN club LOL and explain on the site the allegations and goals for Crooked Lenny!
If you guys know that some of the investing might have took place in the US, you might try a FOIA to the SEC or other Federal Agencies. Sometimes, States have FOIA laws as well. Check across the border
thank you Polycarp, will check into it. stay tuned for as liberty goes down the toilet saga.
I like that idea as well about the US. The only problem is the Liberty directors are the only ones who know the names and contact info of the approximate 700 investors. I have pooled together a couple dozen but most are apathetic and have simply given up on Liberty. I hope we can get an article going or use any means to pool all the shareholders together.
If I can help with the FOIA's, let me know. Or anything, really
oh Lenny where are you hiding??? You trying to sucker others into giving you money for your lifestyle habits??? or is it for your 4 million debt..??? Lennnnnyyyyyyy where are you….how are you doing this .. when you haven't updated your web site… it contains many false points in it now… for example over half of those people do not work for you..anyone with half a brain will see you for what you are ….a scum bucket.
Where is Len hiding you ask…
Lindstrom Len – Julie
250-769-5144
2292 Crestview Rd
West Kelowna, BC V1Z 1Z1
That's where he is hiding!!!
hi..Bob , actually Lenny Boy is in Melbourne, Australia and take a wild guess what he is doing there..lol yup.. looking for some more bucks to support his wannabe mining executive facade.. Not sure who is funding this trip. Thanks for his address… I already have it though and the answering machine answers all calls. I wonder where Julie his wife gets money to live ?? Does she work? If not…. how does she afford to live in Kelowna??? I am sure their house is not a cheap one…. cause Lenny Boy does nothing on the cheap. lol
To all you bible kool-aid drinkers: you keep on supporting this Rip off artist, then you deserve to lose your savings ! And when you do, don't come crying. God help you all !
what do his children have to do with it?
CALLING ALL 700 INVESTORS OF LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL MINERAL CORPORATION. IF YOU ARE UPSET BY THE LACK OF UPDATES, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF THIS COMPANY, AND IF YOU WISH TO KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED ESPECIALLY DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS, YOU CAN EMAIL ME(I am also a Liberty investor) AT THIS ADDRESS
libmininvestors@hotmail.com
LET’S GET ALL THE INVESTORS IN ON THIS. LET’S GET LEN’S ATTENTION AND SHOW HIM THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. LET’S HOLD HIM TO HIS PROMISE OF “DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS HIM PERSONALLY”(Len’s words from a June 2009 email).
LIBERTY INVESTORS, PLEASE PASS THIS ADDRESS ON TO OTHER INVESTORS. WE NEED TO GET ALL 700 INVESTORS IN ON THIS. THE TRUTH MUST BE BROUGHT TO THE LIGHT.
Hi Lenny Boy !! Why haven't you paid the 200K plus loan that was legally due on July 14,2010??? Are you just plain stupid or is it retardation your issue ? Liberty is soon to be buried. Lenny 's next home , good question.. probably sucker some poor lost sheep to support him again. I guess your quick 5 mil is a figment of your imagination. Are enjoying Melbourne, Australia A**HOLE ?? U N D O U B T E D L Y !!!!
Bob if you have evidence of what you mentioned, have you gone to the proper authorities?
Lenny: what happened to the God Birthed Liberty and God will see it to VICTORY ???? Load of rubbish that you broadcast. What is your God doing for ya now??? Not a whole lot if you haven't paid the 4 MILLION DOLLARS you owe people all around the world ! You haven't done any serious drilling…what have you done in 6 yrs.. besides prance around gold shows worldwide saying you have all this POTENTIAL gold…??? you stupid Wanker ..real mining executives have spoken of you and see what you really are : an idiot, incompetent CEO/President. The funny thing is that these executives are just waiting patiently for you to fumble as they know you will. They will be there to get the properties .. like taking candy from a kid . These would be the companies to invest in !
too late my friend ! Liberty is just about to be cremated shortly. Len's words mean diddly squat. The only thing left to do is a civil law suit. And how many of these investors have money left to pour into lawyers' pockets???
TO BEACHBUNNY2…. What do his children have to do with it? The fact that his untrained son Michael is the Vise president of the company…… Holy Crap. I don't even want to start on his daughter. Maybe preachers should focus on helping their own family before helping others. All he has done is train future cons.
JOE…. The Grow-thing too which I believe you are refering to, the statement came right out of the mouth of his daughter herself…. Bragging about it even! All the while taking welfare money on top of it. No respect for this family whatsoever.
Lennnnnny when are you paying the 200+ K loan past due now as of July 14th ??? Do you need a judge to slap your wrist and make you pay considerably more for your many lies , non -transparency with shareholders , unprofessional behavior??? It sure is looking that way ! Does your GOD approve of you ??? I doubt it ! Bible Thumper All I have to say is Thank the Universe for this world wide web.. google Len Lindstrom and bing , click ..click… there appears truth. Anyone who wants to do their due diligence on you will look on the net. You really are a stupid man ! I guess it is time to prey on the poor who don't have access to the internet. When and Where is the next crusade LIBERIA ????LOL
Lenny…why don't you get money from those grow-ops to pay this loan ?? I can't figure out why you think this loan will just go away when you are aware that legal proceedings were started months ago on you ? Are you that F**king stupid that people will say no problem Lenny keep all the cash ??
I am in Victoria and am embarrassed and sickend to have been taken for 16K by him and his ilk. He needs to be brought up on charges.
He sure does need be punished.. Get line though. You would not be creditor number 1… that spot is already taken. Don't be so hard on yourself, Lenny is a “Professional ” at Money Swindling from all kinds …just not the Mining Biz company people of the world or we wouldnt be having this conversation. He sold us all the dream of being rich.
Ok… Lenny Boy…. have you found a Quick 5 mil yet ???? What's the hold up??? Not enough sheep out there ? Maybe people are reading these blogs , becoming WISER to your lines of verbal diarrhea…. ah Gold is up you know.. !! I know you are reading these blogs. So, Lenny you can run , but you can't hide. lolololololol … soon A**HOLE your world of living high off the hog will be OVER ! Undoubtedly lololololololol
LENNY LENNY LENNY now you are in Tokyo. Who is funding this ? Or do you have a hidden bank acct ? Now let me fill ya in Lenny ..the Japanese do not make decisions quickly… so the quick 5 million you are looking for isn't happening…. you are SCREWED AGAIN ! Maybe if you came clean with your legal law suit and started selling your properties to pay off what you owe this person, one could be hired to replace you (the INCOMPETENT) CEO position and salvage the few (3) properties you have in BC …joint venture. …..Oh and Mr. PIGGLY WIGGLY that would mean giving up power and your investors may stand a chance of seeing their money back. GET THIS MESSAGE STRAIGHT LENNY— YOU ARE A USELESS CEO/PRESIDENT, YOU COULD NOT MANAGE YOUR WAY OUT OF A WET PAPER BAG !!! 6yrs of you at the helm… F
grade. A chimpanzee could manage better than you !
Ok Lenny,…. well SOON, You are going to be finished with Liberty because you have not come clean and paid the 200K + loan that you are legally responsible to pay back (as of JULY 14 ,2010) ! You are going down BIG TIME A**HOLE !!! And make no mistake, you have pissed off enough people that a special informative web site will be up shortly to forewarn people all over the world about your unprofessional behavior and illegal actions while pretending to be a CEO/President of LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL MINERAL CORPORATION. We will also include your the VP …the dopey bollocks VICE PRESIDENT of doing nothing but collecting a pay check courtesy of shareholders money. Stay Tuned Lenny : People will be informed of your track record of dealings with people while involved with Liberty. Also LENNY: Why is the website for Liberty still up when ED Esslinger is the only puppet left working with you or is he your wallet that is kept open for you ? You incompetent lying sack of S**T !!! Hey ED… how about paying the loan that is currently on the legal tables ??? Or who ever is funding this arse Lenny Lindstrom, why not pay off this loan in question and hire someone who can actually run this company ?
this number is out of service…. wonder why LOL… cause Julie and Lenny are hiding .. from all the people they owe money to… a grand total of 4 million dollars…. took him 6yrs to achieve this… hey Len….. you should update your LINKED IN profile. Add… acquired a $4 Million debt in 6 yrs… and not bothering to pay anyone back cause I don’t have to…. my God will pay them back LOL You are a real piece of scum…. and your family is no better…. you taught them well LENNY !
so the 250 769 5144 number as an automated answering service to censor all calls. smart one Lenny..hiding from everyone…. YOU DICK ! where is the shareholder’s update ??? Does your God approve of your sneaky behavior ? When are you going to pay your debts ????
Why don’t you try to contact His son Michael, the Vise President. Maybe he can shed some light on all of this B.S. I’m sure he is just as bad as the old man. This would another of their houses or should I say the ivestors houses because in all reality we did pay for them.
Mike Lindstrom
2210 Horizon Dr
Kelowna, BC V1Z 3L4
(250) 769-2311
Lots of luck. i too will try
hi Bob:
Do tell us how your conversation goes with Dopey/Slippery Bollocks ( former VP of Liberty Int’l Mining).
Good luck.
I think we can lay off Mike. I have spoke to several people who knew him and watched him while at Liberty. He tried to make Len see the light. He tried to get him to do the responsible thing but Len would not have it. He quit Liberty for that reason and others. It doesn’t sound like Len listened to him more than any other.
I just wonder how many of the investors into Liberty actually took the time to read the Offering Memorandum? Did they understand that there was no income or proven worth in the business? Was anyone who invested doing their homework?
Has anyone mentioned the old saying “read the fine print”, “the devil is in the details”, “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” or “look before you leap”…?
David – I think most investors understood the risk of investing into a venture like Liberty. The problem was an inept management (Len) only looking after himslef with zero transparency and accountability of where shareholders money was spent. There has been no shareholder communication for 15 months and it my understanding the only time Len responds to an email is if its to lend him money. Not a way to run a business, there are many unanswered questions on expenditures, Len should be held accountable
Yes we did read those things David. Many businesses start out like that and have to write those things for legal reasons. We all had to sign the acknowledgment of risk forms too. Len was a good salesman. He convinced everyone there would be a payday. He promised accountability and transparency. He promised to sacrifice of himself before letting anyone else loose anything. He also used ‘faith’ to appeal to the christians who are the majority of shareholders. He kept using the examples of companies like Aurelian gold to prove that Liberty could and would be a huge success. The problem is, he never delivered on a single promise.
The evidence that is emerging about the company’s activities over the past 6 years is looking worse and worse. If half the stories I have heard are true then someone is looking at jail time.
The saddest thing of all is, I am certain there is lots of gold and diamonds on Liberty’s(former) properties. But Len would not give up enough of his personal shares to gain financing even though it was offered to him many times. He refused to leave the drivers seat and does not seem to realize what he has done. Perhaps the best thing to do now is invest in the companies that take over Liberty’s lands.
That is so true John. Liberty can not be related to something like Bre-X. They had nothing. Liberty probably had huge mineral potential but due to mismanagement and bad decisions we may never know. All I know is, this company made many promises since 2005 and has not delivered on a SINGLE PROMISE in that time. It is all so sad. It could have been a success. But success or no, many things were done in the dark behind shareholders backs. That is not the way to run a business.
I KNOW that MANY of ‘you’ did NOT read the OM’s before investing.
I also KNOW that many investors did walk away before investing because THEY did their homework first. We walked away because of the first rule of investing… “Money follows Management”.
How many ‘investors’ actually talked to the office staff or visited the offices? Did anyone question the BCSC investigation that happened in the first years of Liberty? A 200 page powerpoint presentation and a nice little sing-along does not replace Due Diligence.
All I hear on this site is a person crying in their beer. Is anyone going to bring action? Not just words or talk of ‘someone’ and ‘jail time’ but ACTION? Or… who is buying the next round so we can all share in this pity party?
Management is part of the risk of investing. Did you ask the right questions? Did you take any of the office staff out for a coffee? Did you go for lunch with anyone other than Len? Or did you only talk to the Chief Salesman/President/CEO?
I’m thinking no…
I like the language… Bre-X had nothing… Liberty PROBABLY had HUGE MINERAL POTENTIAL…
Sound like you still have a few ‘cling-ons’ from the last shareholder meeting.
CBC radio once said that ‘a mine was a hole in the ground with a lier at the top’. Until the gold is out of the ground and in the bank… there is NO gold.
And everything was done with majority shareholder approval. Every decision, every action was passed by the majority shareholder.
And who was that??? And was that fact hidden??? Ah… the lights begin to brighten.
Well I guess we will know soon enough when other companies move in there. I can say this with certainty,…other companies have been trying to get these lands for some time. My investor friends were originally envious when I invested into Liberty because they could not. They had invested in other gold companies and believed that Liberia held much gold. According to some geology professors from Africa, Liberia has HUGE potential. That slide on the liberty website which had a map of gold and diamond deposits throughout Africa showed a huge deposit in Liberia. That map was not made by Len, it was made by professional geologists.
That is why I said Liberty is nothing like Bre-x. They had none. We probably had lots. These other companies would not be trying to bump us out of Liberia if they thought there was no gold. Many of the samples Liberty obtained showed over 50 grams per ton. That is more than enough to start a mine. We will all be watching to see what these other companies do on our lands. They are probably the best companies to invest into now.
David -
The real question remains, where did $22 million go? There were 2 small drill programs to my knowledge. One was in Liberia where the co. never got the results because the processing lab was not paid and have withheld results. However, I believe the results have been leaked to major mining co.s who now want the property licenses. The 2nd drill program was in B.C., and not even the drilling co. was paid – still owed $300k. So one has to ask where did the shareholders money go? I believe it was all used for compensation, travel, paying the leases on the vehicles and renovating the Liberty office. Not once in 2 years did I ever see any financial statement, because Len never produced one. And the only time I ever saw the compensation packages for the Lindstroms was in YOUR article a couple of years ago (I am assuming you are David Baines).
I would be happy to share further information about ‘ACTION’ currently taking place – away from this blog
Sorry to say… I am not David Baines. It never crossed my mind that I might be mistaken for anyone else connected with this drama. David B. is my real name just for the record. I’m just another person who was at a Liberty meeting and got to talk with the CEO and others at Liberty.
As I understand, before there was drilling any program the company was in, what some might call, rough shape.
Maybe in the first year of business I was tempted to invest in Canlib. But by the time Liberty was formed… well… the gold had lost its glitter for me.
Here is a paragraph that good ole Lenny wrote about himself on LINKED IN ……… WHAT A JOKE
” Len’s unique ability to rapidly assimilate and apply knowledge combined with his determined drive and relentless work ethic has enabled him to make the transition from full-time motivational speaking to Mineral Industry Executive with relative ease while still maintaining his passion for people and to help those less privileged. ” The only thing he rapidly did was spend money on himself and family ! LOL
“Current
* President CEO at Liberty International Mineral Corp
Past
* President and Founder at World Harvest Outreach
Education
* Sauder School of Business (UBC)
Industry
Mining & Metals
Len Lindstrom’s Summary
Corporate Executive in the gold and mineral industry; highly gregarious and motivational with a strong belief in building mutual win/win business models through relationship and expertise.
Predominantly involved in gold, silver and base metal exploration and development with a vision to build Liberty International into a large mid-tier gold producer and to be an agent for positive change in the world.” From LINKED IN MORE GARBAGE Lenny wrote about himself… Ah Lenny : think you need to take this crap off too from the web… AREN’T YOU UNEMPLOYED NOW ?? LOL
He cannot be feeling too bad about it all… You can see him at the 30 second mark at Whiskey Jacks Kelowna… Looks pretty happy as far as I can tell… Look hard enough in the back right before and you will see Julie also… Life is good for Loser Len!
Len’s day’s as CEO of liberty are numbered. Not long… things will be toast. However, we all know that he will find another scam… web site will be up soon.. to spread the Good Truth about Lenny Lindstrom Loser.
I find it amazing that Lenny Boy can party like that a week and half go when he is being sued for over $ 200K ! Wow Apparently, Len has money to party. oh well, Lenny as I said before, you day is coming..
Looks like he caught up with us knowing about the video clip.. It has since been removed. Keep on dodging!!!! Sooner or later you will have to answer some questions.
Too bad. It was a good video. But I sure hope someone took the precaution of recording it. It might assist in any future investigation to help show where Len has been spending shareholder money.
AH Lenny , you took the video off !! What is the matter with you ? I thought you like media attention in any way !! It is too late Lenny to come clean.. Feeling a smidgen of remorse/guilt or what exactly are you hiding this time ? I know, it must be money that you are living off at present. Well,now we know you are checking You Tube regularly to see if where you have been taped. LOL you must have quite the daily ritual now checking all the web sites where people are keeping an eye on you ..lol or do you still have a few kool-aid drinking puppets doing stuff for you ?
Pat, I am sure the right people have seen the video and has been saved…it will be interesting to see how it all crumbles in the next few weeks.
Lenny Oh Lenny…. where’s the shareholders’ report ?? Are you not going to tell people the truth about what has transpired in the past 14 months or so ??? Isn’t time for truth telling ? I know you are reading this blog, as you take things off the net or modify your LinkedIn profile. Come on Lenny, the truth will set you free ! Pay your debts off, for ?? learn from this lesson that greed and stupidity does not serve well.
LEN LINDSTROM YOU COWARD. ARE YOU NOT GOING TO TELL THE SHAREHOLDERS WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS OF LIBERTY ? IS IT SAFE TO SAY YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED LOL!!!
You can run Lenny Boy buy you can’t hide. We will find you and your next scamming gig and be sure to let people know the T R U T H about you !
hey Len – there is a job opening at Barnum and Bailey circus for Head Clown.
Prerequisites are floppy feet and a large red nose, you fit the profile. With your experiences at Liberty, its the right fit. Free travel, meals and you get to hang out with the midgets….apply now
One problem, Lenny does not hang out with people unless they are giving him money… and he is lookin for BIG CASH not midget cash cuz he owes 4MIL yuk yuk !!! here he is looking for more so he can have another party at Whiskey JAcks…. lol do you think the party is for the shareholders to drown their sorrows??
You may find him there again on Thursday, October 7…. Look for him at that time. Now that he has been seen he may not show but you never know..
Did anyone take the precaution of recording that video before he removed it from YouTube?
oh Lennnnnnny where are you now ? Who are you trying to sucker now for money ? You are a complete LOSER. You have not sent one shareholders update in over a YEAR ! WHY ??? Are you hiding something ???? Are you feeling pissed cause you know longer have the HUMMER being paid for by us ? Come on big boy ..what’s the matter ?
ah Bob, I do not live in B.C …. Can you tape the video ? I sure hope so….
LEN LINDSTROM YOU COWARD. ARE YOU NOT GOING TO TELL THE SHAREHOLDERS WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS OF LIBERTY ? IS IT SAFE TO SAY YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED LOL!!!
You can run Lenny Boy buy you can’t hide. We will find you and your next scamming gig and be sure to let people know the T R U T H about you !
hey Lenny….rumor is the Liberty gig is done, dusted and all over…any chance you can tell the shareholders its all over but you had a great time spending cash all over the world…you simply have not one ounce of decency, and if you would like to debate your performance on this forum, just come on down!!
Hey speaking of Len telling everyone he is broke and claiming he “remortaged his house” in the June 2009 newsletter,..I decided to do some math. Let’s add up how much money went into the Lindstrom family from Liberty since 2005
Len Lindstrom – $198,000 per year x 4 years
Mike Lindstrom – $120,000 per year x 4 years
Julie Lindstrom – $12,500 (est.)per year x 4 years
Len and Mike – $20,000 (est.salary drawings from the .10 offerring in 2009)
Len Lindstrom – $28,000 taken in addition to his salary for 5 weeks work on BC properties
Lindstrom grandson – $10,000 for working on those same BC properties
Minus $60,000 of his own money invested
= 1,320,000 or 1.32 MILLION!!!
AND that staggering number is just salary! That is BEFORE all his
Air fare, hotel, meal and beverage expenses, the leased hummer and the improvements to the office building, which is owned by them – God only knows how much that total comes to.
Did you really re-mortage your house Len? Which house by the way? The one in your wifes’ name or the one in your motherinlaws’ name? Isn’t that how you have saved yourself from being sued?
DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU WILL GET AWAY WITH ALL THIS?
Well, my husband and I came to the Lord at Len Lindstroms meeting here in Wellington, New Zealand in 1985 and 25 years later we are still going on for God. My husband Tim spent 16 years as an evangelist and now we both teach evangelism in life groups. The fruit of his ministry has been good and lasting so I stand in his defence that Len was annointed. Bless him
I truly hope you are right Sharon. I pray he be blessed too. There is no sin too big for God to forgive. I hope God turns him around if HE has not already. I hope God restores Liberty and that the children of Liberia get blessed and also the 750(mostly christian) shareholders of Liberty. I am not anti-Len and certainly not anti-Liberty. I was only trying to bring hidden things to the light. The shareholders ALL have a right to know where their money went.
Len Lindstrom has not had a shareholder update for 22 months. Len is far from a HOLY man, he is a HOLEY man, puts a HOLE in ones wallet. The Liberian licenses have been forfeited according to the April 2011 map from Liberia Lands and Mines website. Also, Len has told people he is prohibited from reporting the company status due to the BC Securities Commission cease trade order. That is a lie, there is no such thing as a ban on the company issuing a news release on the status. So one has to ask just what did Len do with all the shareholder money. I suggest shareholders begin a campaign to have the BCSC order Len to disclose all company information.
Money was spent on legitimate exploration expenses and approved by the majority shareholder.
Next question?
Ok David I think you can stop making the shareholders feel stupid. Either we did not ask Len the right questions or he did not bother to tell us the truth about the company share structure. Either way, it is too late now. The only question is what can we do now to help Liberty succeed.
How to help Liberty succeed? Kind of like asking how to help a dead horse win the Kentucky Derby.
I’m not out to make any investors feel stupid. I am sorry you feel stupid by what I say.
And asking Len the “right questions” is exactly the same as asking a used car dealer if you really need a car.
So many of the comments I see on this site and hear are from people who are just venting their frustrations. I don’t see people trying to solve anything or get to the bottom of things.
People are still asking Len for answers. Did you get answers from Len in the past? In the past 22 months? Why keep going back to a man that has that sort of track record? Stop beating a dead horse… find a live one.
What other options are open to shareholders in a private company? Anyone out there actively working on options or are we all happily blogging our sorrows away? Has anyone asked their local Security Commission what actions can be taken?
I would love to know WHY people invested in Liberty. What was everyone’s motivation? Will anyone admit it was greed? Anyone? Did anyone invest to help the people of Liberia? Wages, rents, gov. fees and other expenses went to Liberian people and companies… so you did help Liberia. Did you invest because someone told you too? Then maybe you need to say NO a few times to hear how it sounds.
Anointed as an evangelist… ok sure.
Anointed as a business man… different story.
We invested for many reasons. I personally felt that God was calling me into it and that HE was behind Liberty. Len promised to place a portion of Libertys profits into charitable projects and I wanted to be a part of that.
Things are happening behind the scenes,..action is being taken. The securities commission of BC and AB have been contacted but they can’t really do more than they have already done.
Although I was tempted to try and help put Len away, now that the properties have been awarded back to Liberty I would rather see the company turn around. It is NOT dead as you say,..it just needs to re-secure financing.
Many people are encouraging Len and praying for him to do the right thing to help save the company. I know he is working hard now to save it. He will still have to update us soon and apologize, but I am trying to focus on the big picture. I still have hope.
“re-secure financing”??? So to fix this situation just needs more money? Sounds fair enough. How much more will you be putting in?
I always find that the best way to fix a leaky bucket is to pour more water in it and hope and pray the leak stops. Oh… wait… no. I fix the bucket first or throw it out and get a new bucket then fill it up.
Now that the Liberian properties are now safely back in Liberty’s hands all is basically forgiven? No more legal actions or hard feelings so long as there is an “I’m sorry” and an update?
Now all that is left to do is fill those old buckets with cash again and get this old horse on the road to the derby.
Yes re-secure financing,…means getting the money that was supposedly coming in before. According to the article, the corruption in Liberia sabatoged Libertys financing deals. They claim that tens of millions were lined up, until the financiers during their due diligence found out that the LME gave libertys licences away to other companies. There were even allegations of bribery. So now that the licences are back for 4 years and the financiers can see that, there is hope of having that money coming in for real. The court of Liberia clearly vindicated Liberty.
I was a friend of Len’s and he is just like any other man. He is a family man first and has had an extremly stressfull life. Why not let him be? It has nothing to do with (Faith). We all can change our career paths and still have faith, just as much as we had before. Look at yourselves arguing and judging… Do you think you are any better? If you do, then live with your vanity.
Give it a break people!!!
Len has done plenty for the lord and now let him live his life in peace. Doing the things he wants. Not what you want.
GOOD GRIEF!!! LOOK AT YOURSELVES!!!!!!!
So you are saying it is ok for Len to take our money and not update us for 22 months? Are you saying that we should say to Len, “It’s ok Len,..just go ahead and keep our money,..don’t worry about updating us,..we will just start over and try to recover our lifes’ savings.”
If you are a friend of Len, then sit down with him and tell him that he has to update his shareholders. Of course, the problem with that is, you would be about the 1000th person who has told him that but he doesn’t listen.
Even though Liberty has apparently been awarded the Liberian licenses for 4 years, there will be stipulations on keeping those licenses. It is NOT ok for 22 months to go by and shareholders left in the dark. Any chance Lenny you can tell those who pumped a lot of money into your leased Hummer years ago what the situation is with Libmin??? You can hide for only so long Lenny…..
It is pretty obvious that Paul is NOT a shareholder!
You want to talk stress Paul? Ask some of the shareholders who morgaged their house to invest into Liberty but have heard nothing from Len in 28 months. He will be answering questions some day. It is not ok to take 18 million dollars from average people and leave them in the dark. I think your defense of him is vanity.
Well – I am sorry to hear these judgements against the lindstroms. Do not judge lest you be judged! I am sure it was a matter of wrong choices that led to these things. Whats I do know is my God is a FORGIVER of sins! All sins – he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness that is IF we are truly sorry and turn from our wicked ways! My prayers are with them, mike wahe s a friend of mine and I havent seen him for 6 months about, previous to that we didnt speak since 2009 ish I guess this is when this all started happening, I am sorry to hear these accusations. Come back to God you lindstroms, he is waiting for you where you left him. God is faithful and God still loves them no matter what people say. This world is full of many temptations, but God has overcome this world! Mike if you read this come back to westgate or go to another church and please don’t lose your faith in God! God Loves you and many people are praying for you. As for grow ops, well kelowna is full of them – my own husband was busted with over 1000 plants. He is truly sorry for his wrong choices and God is faithful to forgive. God can turn every bad choice into something good to further Gods kingdom. It greatly hurts me to see a family of God be so judged. I hope and pray that you will be able to pay of the debts to these people you owe. You may have to live a humble life with little money – remember those days so long ago when all that mattered was to folllow the Lord? I know you do remember the time of your life when you were surrounded by your church family and living humbly I remember when mike used to have to drive his moms jeep to save money. We miss the old you guys – wanting to save lost souls and have fun. Its never too late to return to the Lord. God always wants to hear you talk to him, even when were sinners God still died on the cross for us. Come back to the Lord. At this point it is your only hope! We love and are praying for you many people of kelowna and vancouver are praying for you guys to come back to God. As for the judgers who call themselves christians, well who cares what they say or think. God sees and thinks of you with love and the rest of the people who judge need to take it up with the Lord. You may need to downsize and drive shitty vehicles etc and live poorly for a long time to pay off debts but at least you can sleep at night and not worry about looking over your back! Prayers and Blessings. Jazz
Hi Doug,
I am not beginning to say that I know them well at all. But I am just saying that My God is a Forgiver of all sins. I will continue to hope and pray for Mike and his family to be able to sort these financial issues out with the shareholders and to be honest with themselves and with God as well. I wish you all the very best this life has to offer – looking forward to eternity when God will be the only true judge of us all, and our true hearts. What we sow we will reap! I hope that everyone who has lost there money in this scheme will be able to regain the monies back, and that God is and continues to be faithful, healer, our provider, lover, friend, confidant, father and most of all FORGIVER and SAVIOUR! Peace to all of you!
Thanks for that Jazz. You are bang on about God,..there is no sin too big for HIM to forgive. Man often lacks forgiveness towards man,..sometimes we even struggle to forgive ourselves!
You keep mentioning Mike,..but I ask you to pray for Len. He needs to do the right thing. Mike would agree with me. Len MUST update his shareholders and be honest with them. Len does not seem to realize that Liberty does not just belong to him,..it belongs to the shareholders too.
The company is not technically bankrupt,.and with the recent court victory in Liberia, there is a chance. But it will only succeed if Len will listen to certain wise and experienced people that God placed in his path. Bless you
Bankruptcy — The state of being bankrupt or insolvent; inability to meet obligations
I wonder… what is your definition of bankruptcy?
It means they have not filed for bankrupcy. They still have the Liberian licences and (I hope) are working to secure financing and turn the situation around. The economic crisis is over or at least the worst part is over and the price of gold is much higher than before the crisis. Our Kelowna sources tell us the office building was worth several 100k so hopefully they are using that to save the company rather than just drawing salaries.
Yes there is a difference between technically bankrupt and just having no possible way of paying ones overwhelming burden of debts.
Did your Kelowna sources mention the actual sale price of the office building? How much the mortgage was? If the building was owned or leased? Did Liberty own the building or did the owner of the property decide to sell the property out from under Liberty?
There might not be anything in that sale for Liberty. There might even be a further debt owed by Liberty to the property owner. Yet another creditor, maybe?
The office building was personally owned by the Lindstroms. It was paid for with shareholder money and so were its renovations. I have heard numbers from 300k to 600k. Only Len knows for sure.
Hey Len, I understand the Kelowna office has been sold. Are you going to return some of the proceeds back to the shareholders who paid for the renovations? Oh thats right, you have Ed Esslinger trying to raise money for you as he says you are broke. And its now 23 months since you last told shareholders whats going on. Well done….
Were the renovations ever paid for?
And wouldn’t any money owing go to any creditors first? Shareholders are always the last on the list.
There are plenty of creditors…they should all be lining up for a piece of the pie. The renovations to the office building were done years ago. However, since no one can ever contact Len, just how would a creditor go about getting any money. I know of one creditor who had Kelowna sheriffs try and serve Len with papers, couldnt be done because no one would answer the door. Yes Len, you are still a scumbag…
The Liberian licenses are still in limbo because there was an appeal made to the Supreme Court. Len has been in Liberia for 8 months, appears he has been having a good time…one has to wonder where he got the money to stay in Liberia for so long…and Ed Esslinger claims he is broke….Should the Supreme Court overturn the earlier decision by the lower court, Liberty International Mineral Corp. will be history…congrats Len, its been 2 years since you told the shareholders anything, yet you claim to be working for them..
Wasn’t World Harvest in that building before Liberty? That would indicate that Liberty didn’t buy or own the building.
So the building would have been leased/rented by Liberty… right? So the sale of the building has no impact on the Liberty financial situation at all. Much like if you are renting a house and the landlord decides to sell. You wouldn’t be entitled to any of the proceeds of the sale.
If you renovate the house you are renting and then the landlord sells the house… well you can see what my point is. No cash for Liberty.
It sounds like people are having a hard time separating Liberty from Lindstroms. A salesman (Len) sold you a piece of pie (Liberty). Told you it could be sweet as cherries. Turned out to be lemon.
So what is your point? In case you haven’t noticed, no one here really cares about your opinion. You are not a shareholder of this company so why not take your pearls of wisdom to another site where you can enlighten everyone with your brand of ‘know-it-all-ism.’
Once more for the confused- World Harvest ministries was ran by the Lindstroms. The office building was indeed owned by them. Shareholder money did indeed help pay for it and paid for the theme-type park improvements. In an interview Len admitted this all to David Baines from the Vancouver Sun at least 3 years ago!
I would bet that the money from the office building sale is in Len’s bank account right now.
I am not personally interested in any other site. I have a real interest in this site. I don’t “know-it-all” but am surprised by how much others here don’t.
The money from the sale of the office building, if it is in Len’s bank account, is where it should be. The owner should get the proceeds of sale. The renter doesn’t deserve a dime even if “improvements” are made to the property. If I own the property and you rent it from me, you are paying for my mortgage, but that doesn’t entitle you to any sort of ownership of my property.
Don’t worry… I’m not confuse about the situation at Liberty… I just ask questions so that others have to think of the answers. But I guess some people just want to blame others for not thinking things through themselves.
I was offered several deals with Liberty/Canlib. But research and asking the right questions of the right people at the right time saves trouble, pain and loss.
Once again you miss the point. We are upset for two reasons,…Len used our money to pay for that building and its improvements, even though we have not seen a dime of our investment. The other thing is,…he has been telling people that he is broke and supposedly living off personal donations. Over 1 million dollars went into the Lindstrom family as salary since the Liberty saga began, and if that wasn’t enough,..now he has the money from the office building sale too. Meanwhile, there are unpaid bills everywhere and shareholders who put in everything but have got nothing.
What are you talking about renters and mortgages for????? It is absolutely irrelevant to this blog.
Renters is what you are… people with little to no right to any proceeds of the sale of a building that your company was leasing. (Some people are so hard to teach… I’m glad you are so willing to learn.)
So far it doesn’t look like many people did their homework before investing. That amounts to just giving your money away. And once you gave your money away you didn’t like what was done with it? To bad, so sad. While you kept your money you kept control. Release your money and you released control.
1 million dollars you say… and since it started… so what is that 6-8 years? Lets say 7. So $1,000,000/7 years/ 5 Lindstrom family members working for Liberty = $28,571/year. Those greedy people.
Feb 2011 – $42,988 – The average wage for Canadians working full-time, year-round. (Hennessey’s Index)
Where do we think we live, when a President/CEO thinks he can make 2/3rds as much as a hard working Canadian?
Now I am convinced you are an ignoramus! Read Kelly’s post above,..#89. Does that make your lights come on a little? The scary thing is,..those figures are just what Len has admitted to. Who knows if the actual number is even higher!
THERE NEVER WERE ANY RENTERS!!!! The building was under the name of Len and Julie Lindstrom from the start! They took our money to pay for it and renovate it. They then sold it and pocketed the cash!! As David Baines learned, the Lindstroms owned the building!! The same way you may own a house. There was no leasing either! Kindly stop commenting on this blog,..we are really not interested in your opinion.
NO RENTERS??? Liberty was leasing the building. A lease (even a triple net lease) is still renting. Please separate the parties involved to remain focused.
Your company (Liberty) was paying for the use of prime downtown location. Near Starbucks and all those nice fashionable shops. Yes Lindstroms owned the building… Liberty did not. Liberty (the company you own) rented. To find out who owned and who rented you just had to ask. Everyone knew the score… or maybe only the people who asked the questions knew the score.
As for the salary issue. You stated the numbers of 1 million for all Lindstroms at Liberty since it started. All I did was do the math and it came out far under the average Canadian’s wages. OK at $2 million it would not be far off the average. And that would be pre-tax dollars as well. So we minus the 15-29%… and now we are back to a nice but not “rich” wage. This is just using my simple math skills… without all the bias or emotional attachment.
I will gladly stop posting comments. When and if there is nothing to post about. That kind of is the nature of a blog. Ah the internet is a wonderful thing. Shouldn’t all stakeholders be able to communicate freely? Just trying to bring a little balance and clarity to things… not easy when the waters keep getting muddied.
Oh and please… keep the name calling to a minimum. Immature persons might read this and be offended. Thanks kindly.
LIBERTY OWNED THE BUILDING!!! As you are so fond of pointing out, Len was the majority shareholder of Liberty. If he was so concerned about paying the companies bills, or getting the cease trade orders lifted or reimbursing burnt shareholders he would use the proceeds of the office – WHICH WE PAID FOR- to do this rather than pocket the cash
The salaries he paid himself were HUGE considering his inexperience and lack of cash flow into the company.
I thank you for shooting yourself in the foot with “Shouldn’t all stakeholders be able to,….” Since you are proud of the fact that you DID NOT invest into Liberty,..take a hike!!!
Dear Doug,
Please notice I said stakeholders, not shareholders. If you don’t understand the difference please have someone explain it to you.
Shareholders moneys were used to LEASE a building. The office was never part of the companies assets. Check the financial statements that came with your OM paperwork. Shareholders didn’t pay for it to own it… just to rent it for a time. Liberty did NOT own the building (not by any of the research I have done). If you have PROOF that Liberty OWNED the building I would love to see it.
As for the salaries… again… have you done the math? Simple math? The numbers on this site don’t add up to extreme greed. Did you see him in action? Some people would say he earned that salary. I guess you don’t think he worked hard enough? How hard does someone have to work to earn a “HUGE” salary?
How much did you “invest” to have such a strong reaction to my comments? Comments meant to correct misunderstanding and confusion. Just wondering… 10k, 20k, 25k? Did you only invest once or were you a repeat “investor”?
I thank you for your interest in my health and yes I do enjoy a nice hike every so often. May you continue in good health as well.
For the last time,..Liberty owned the building,…sure it may have been under a different name,.like WHM but they personally owned it. Email David Baines if you don’t believe me. Maybe he can talk some sense into you. That was one of several things that Len failed to mention to us. Our money did in fact pay for it and its improvements. Our money paid for not only his massive salary but also for his HUGE travel and hotel expenses. Your comments have done nothing about confusion and/or enlightenment. All you have done is try to make the shareholders feel stupid and glorify yourself for being ‘so smart that I didn’t invest.’ For all we know maybe you wanted to but were broke at the time. In my opinion you have no business being on this blog. Your comments are irrelevant.
So you have no proof that Liberty owned the building. And if something is under a different name it isn’t owned by the company. You agree that “they personally owned it” (I guess you mean the Lindstroms owned it)… so Liberty didn’t own the building. YES the money from the shareholders was probably used to pay any lease/rent… but ownership was NOT transfered to Liberty.
And that would be one of the many things I am trying to clarify for you. But is you don’t choose to listen you can always stop posting. There seems to be a GREAT confusion over separating Liberty/ Len/ Lindstroms/ Shareholders/ Creditors…
I have a stake in this so I will remain tuned in. Thanks for your opinion that I don’t belong here. I will take that for what it is worth.
Did you read the OM? Did you understand it? No offense meant… it is a complicated document. If you confused stakeholder with shareholder, triple net lease with ownership than I wonder if there is anything else you might be confused about.
Any other questions you might have… feel free to ask away. I’ll be here.
I understand those terms, you are the one who does not see the big picture. I can put my car into the name of my grandma,..it is still my car. Her name is only superficially there so I can cover my butt from creditors. There is no confusion on this end. I have been in contact with numerous shareholders and even former Liberty employees. I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
I and we have no questions for you,..no one cares about your opinions here,…you are just a know-it-all who is adding insult to injury to the shareholders who trusted Len. If David Baines article is not enough proof for you about the office building,..then I wish I could access Len’s bank account. I am sure the proof would be there. So run along now and start your own website about the various definitions and give advice on which companies to invest in and which not to,..opps I almost forgot,..it’s not needed,..there is wikipedia and investment advisors for that.
The David Baines article uses the words “LEASEHOLD” and “PERSONALLY owned by the Lindstroms”… so not owned by Liberty. Therefore “your” money went to cover the rent and a new paint job.
It would appear very clear that you do NOT know what you are talking about. So many basic assumptions can be so wrong when not viewed objectively. But this whole property thing is just a Poisson Rouge. Fun for a season but not a real issue.
You spoke to shareholders… good first steps. You spoke to employees… better. Who on the payroll did you talk to? Receptionists, geologists, book-keepers, IT’s, CFO’s, CIO’s, VP’s? Did any of those people have an axe to grind? Or were they balanced and fair in their discussions? I’m sure everyone involved would love to know what is the fruit of your contact with ex-Liberty employees. Will you name anyone and what they said? Yes? No? Will former employees post what they are willing to share? I am very honest in my wish to hear the “insider story”.
By the way… if the car is in grandma’s name when she dies… it becomes part of the estate and you might (depending on the will) be only a part owner in Pontiac Pinto instead of a full owner. So its NOT really your car.
For the last time David,..buzz off! We don’t want nor need you here. I know things about this company that you don’t know. Action is being taken that you know nothing about. Facts are known by a handfull of shareholders and former employees that you know nothing about! When Len put the office building up for sale he did not list the price! Better to keep it secret I guess. Len has assets in other peoples names. They are HIS!! The people doing that,.like my grandma for example are doing it to help him. Realistically, and at the end of the day,..his assests,, my car etc are mine. And the office building was owned by them. Please contact Baines if you have any more questions. Leasehold, mortage, rent, Liberty,.WHM, Len,..the Lindstroms,….it is ALL THE SAME BANK ACCOUNT IN THE END!!! Have your lights brightened yet? Maybe Baines can help you with that. I will not reveal my sources to you ever! Since you are not a shareholder, it is none of your damn business. So once again,..run along somewhere else where someone may care about your opinions, it is defintely not here.
Thats the wonderful thing about free speech… like it or not, need it or not… it’s still there.
This issue of assets is not even the real question. The small amount of assets left from all of this is nothing. Even if a court agreed that all these assets were to be classed as Liberty’s there isn’t enough. “All one bank account in the end”… but overdrawn.
Even the question of wages is nothing… Len was far underpaid. Not as a President/CEO but as a salesman. Even if he personally made $2 million… he raised, what, $20million? 10% commission is a normal finders fee for that much quick cash.
You have internet access and were on all day July 1st with me… so you still have a computer and internet access. So you probably didn’t get bankrupted by investing in Liberty. If you did loose a large amount of investment you would be more depressed than angry. So there must be another reason for your anger. Did you read the OM? Did you ask your wife before you invested? Was the emotion greed your prime motivation?
You don’t know me so why are you so quick to burn bridges? You and I are having a wonderful conversation… why ruin it with harsh words? No one else has chimed in with any points or support of your arguments. Former employees… probably not Julie, Mike, Sheri, or Brandon. So that leaves whom…. the receptionists, book-keepers, geologists, IT, CFO, CIO. Receptionists would have minimum information, book-keepers just keep the numbers moving, geologists look at the rocks, IT just keep systems running, so CFO or CIO?
So out of the 10+ people in the office on any given day, only one or two may know anything. And both of those people would be high enough in the company to have signed NDA’s. So talking about Liberty for them would be a breach of contract. Hmmm. And I bet all the other people would be upset that they lost their jobs when Liberty closed it’s doors. Upset former employees with an axe to grind… yes… very reliable sources.
I am a stakeholder… not a shareholder. So you don’t want to hear from any other stakeholders? Not from creditors? Not from another company that worked on projects together with Liberty? Not from people that want to do a JV deal for the Liberian properties?
And you speak for all shareholders?
Time for me to chime in….and by the way David B, I am an ‘insider’ and know more than most ex-employees except the Lindstroms themselves. And since I signed no NDA, and was misled by good ole Len himself, I will disclose as much as possible right here….
Lets get the facts straight…
Len Lindstrom paid himself an annual salary of $198K + expenses + leased vehicle (Hummer). If you think this is ‘underpaid’ for running a grassroots exploration company with no revenues and dependent on raising capital…..what would be an ‘acceptable’ compensation package? Len stopped taking a salary at the end of 2008 due to lack of funds. However, he took salary draws from shareholder funds coming in up until the BCSC cease trade order in Sept. 2009. He claimed on many occasions in 2009 and 2010 he was on the verge of personal bankruptcy. Yet somehow he afforded to travel and stay in Hong Kong for 4 months, trips to Dubai, Australia and China all last year. Were these trips funded from donations of the ‘flock’ that still believe in his ‘gospel’? Or does Lenny have an account somewhere offshore? Lets leave that to speculation…
Len paid himself an extra $28K for a 6 week exploration program in BC in 2008. This was on top of his salary, at approx $17K per month. Nice work if one can get it. I wasn’t aware this was standard business practice to pay oneself twice working for the same co.
The office – bought by the Lindstroms in the 1980′s and used as an office for both World Harvest and Liberty Int’l. The office was put in the name of World Harvest according to a lawyer working on behalf of a creditor. Shareholder funds paid the rent and renovations on behalf of Liberty. So Len signed his own rental contract putting X amount of funds into his bank account again. I did not see the rental agreement so I do not know the exact monthly charge.
With all this income coming in (salary, rent) and expenses paid for – for Len to claim he was on verge of bankruptcy tells me he doesn’t have the capability of money management – and forget about managing a mining co. as he is simply a laughing stock in the mining circles. Len thinks he is a ‘wheeler and a dealer’. Facts are he is more suited a used car salesman (Hope you are reading this Lenny!!!)
The lack of transparency and shareholder communication is appalling. Len thinks he can hide a lot of information or hoping people will just let time pass and forget about Liberty. I want to see him back in Canada and held accountable to how $18 million was spent. I will mention the other $4 million Liberty has in debt and lets start with one creditor owed $300K who was also lied to by Len, being told Liberty had the funds to continue a BC exploration program.
Look forward to a ‘lively’ conversation here David B (and I will not call you names!!!)
Thanks John for speaking clearly and without too much finger pointing.
I did mention that Len was underpaid… as a salesman. You think he was overpaid as a CEO. If you could get… 18 million of other peoples money for your company in 4 years… would you pay someone 2 million? To have 16+ million for your company? Not bad ROI.
How much Len was paid and the nature of the office lease were never a secret. I found that out with only a few questions over a coffee one day. Also I was told the office was mortgaged quite heavily. I didn’t think the Lindstroms bought the property… I was informed it came through WHOM channels… but that isn’t really important. Personal property isn’t corporate property and WHOM property isn’t Liberty property.
The David Baines article pointed out that there didn’t seem to be an arms length process in place for decisions made concerning the leasehold improvements and the apparent excess for such a junior company’s salary structure. It just amazes me that people think there is still money in some hidden corner of this mess.
Lets hold off on talking about Lens salary for a moment and look at the burn rate of this company.
Overseas office rental, food, supplies, labour, geologists… that would be equal to one medium investor per month.
Canadian office rental (in any building in Kelowna), office staff, equipment leases, accountants, lawyers, (not including CEO or VP salaries or “perks”)… another medium investor per month.
So before we get to the expensive stuff… 100 investors $$$ just went to keep the lights on. Totally normal expenses, no “perks”, all good and proper.
Liberian mineral licenses. Canadian mineral licenses. Assay reports. African and Canadian drilling programs (I know… people said it was never paid for)… How many investors does that equal? Most of the big investors money is now probably accounted for…
So that would leave a few hundred small investors to take care of the “perks”. Or reverse the math and all the small investors ran the offices and exploration projects and one or two big investors paid Len. You can do the math whichever way you want so you are least offended.
A startup mineral exploration company is expensive. And this one was massively underfunded. No offense to people who put in everything, but no mater who was in control this company seemed to be on life support from day one. Living from investor cheque to investor cheque.
Having a charismatic person like Len in charge just made it so much easier to place blame in that direction. And yes the CEO always shoulders a large part of the responsibility for a company’s performance.
There are approx 750 shareholders. I know of a few that pumped in over $100K, I believe the largest shareholder put in over $1 million. Regardless of which investors put in money for whatever expenditures, money was spent recklessly. Liberian licenses – I think just over $1 million had been spent to keep them in good standing over the past 6 years. The money spent on the BC licenses alone I believe was well over $1 million, and there is nothing left, except 2 properties although I have not searched BC mineral tenures recently. The amount of property rented in BC was ridiculous, and with no JV’s done on any of them, it was a complete waste of money. The Liberian office was overstaffed, and money was spent on equipment which has since been stolen or sold at a massive discount, nothing left in Liberia but an empty shell. The assay report for the Liberian drill program is still unpaid. So money was spent primarily on – administration, salaries, staff expenditures, mineral leases. The driller in BC is owed $300K, the African lab is owed $300K…this is where the money SHOULD have been spent..not on Len galivanting the world playing mining executive thinking he is in the same league as real mining companies. With $18 million raised by Liberty, this company was not underfunded. It was drained because the CEO thought of himself, his pocket book and lifestyle. His concern for the shareholders is complete BULLSH*T, since he has not had the decency to update them in 2 years.
So… 18 million divide by 750 investors = $24K each. That was less than what I was calling a medium investor.
A few at 100K and one at 1 mill creates room for many minimum level investors. There was a lot of work going into getting investors and if each of them was averaging less than $24k the costs of raising funds near equals the funding. 43-101 reports don’t come cheap.
There sure were a lot of people saying that massive investors were lined up and ready to invest. On this blog there is comments of that sort. Were these massive investors local or part of the international circus Len was tapping into?
Canlib was born out of WHOM. And WHOM was run on flash and glitter advertising. Donor’s needed to be wowed to give. Same strategy payed off for Canlib/Liberty but is expensive to maintain once the easy money is accessed. Getting a theme-song for shareholder meetings wows the crowd and everyone sings along… but someone has to pay the piper.
If the drilling company and the African lab are owed that kind of money… what about the labs that were paid before the money dried up? When there were technical reports to prepare? What did it cost per OM?
Did Liberty grow too big too fast? No JV’s entered into when offered? No gold mined except for small soil samples? No income when income was possible? Would a different CEO have done differently. Yes (every CEO is different), but everyone bought into Len as much as into Liberty.
Excessive and waste-full spending is what I hear people blogging. But who would have bought shares from a plain suited, hatchback driving, Tim Hortons coffee drinking share-salesman? “Gold is on the way to $2,000/oz”, “Billion dollars worth of gold in the ground”, “We are sitting on a powder keg”… any of these phrases ring a familiar bell?
Getting mad at a person for living bigger than life doesn’t make sense if that was the reason you invested. OM’s contained the risks, pitfalls and financial situation. But charisma makes all men weak and greed makes all men blind.
I’ve said before… if your purpose was to help the Liberian people… then you have… for a few years wages were paid and products purchased. This money stayed in Liberia and helped make a living for some people.
But you CAN find better odds in Vegas than you can in
a startup company. 9/10 businesses fail is the common saying… but sometimes in vegas you can get 50/50 odds. (at least one casino owner will bet up to a million $$$ on a flip of the coin) Next shareholders meeting will be in Vegas?
The cost of raising funds was not expensive given there was no prospectus necessary, and no brokerage firm was used to market the company. All shareholder funds were sent directly to the Liberty office.
Supposedly there were international investors lined up out of Dubai and China. All fell through due to one reason or another, only Len can tell you the actual case.
I agree with the line ‘someone has to pay the piper’. The shareholders weekend meeting where it was a gala affair and had the motherlode of ore song was an expensive side show.
The only lab to my knowledge that was paid was for the grab sample exploration done on BC property. The exploration program was on the internet and the costs associated with it listed.
Did Liberty grow too fast? – Yes, as seen by leasing over 13,000 sq km of property in BC and only doing 2 small exploration programs. No JV’s entered – correct, because Len did not want to give up control, and wanted way too much money from companies to explore both Liberia and BC properties. No gold mined – correct. No income when income was possible – yes that is right, because a number of companies were willing to do a JV for the right price, only if Len would have given up some control of properties for putting dollars back into the treasury.
Who would bought shares from a plain suited, hatchback driving, Tim Hortons coffee drinking salesman? Well given the geology of the Liberian properties, it was an easy sell regardless of who was pitching the deal. Many shareholders are amazed they paid for a leased Hummer for a number of years. I bought into Liberty because of the geology, unfortunately did not do enough DD on who was running the fiasco. And like many shareholders, I am angry because there was never any transparency nor accountability. 2 years later and still silence is unacceptable. It is a nice gesture to have helped a number of Liberian workers with an income, however there is an article in an African newspaper about the out of court settlement Liberty had with a number of technicians which cost a lot of money. That money came from an investor who loaned the company $200K, and has not heard from Len in a year…
Do you know the costs of raising funds without an exchange to be listed on or a brokerage firm? Not as cheap as one might think.
So Len needed to be globe-trecking in order to try to arrange big financing from Dubai and China. If it was really an option or not.
There always was a show with Len… I agree with you there. And that draws a crowd. The shareholder meeting was only one of many… and each one had a price. but, not every meeting generated investments.
Was there ever going to be a JV with Liberty? Not if it meant not having Len at the top. Just like “will Liberty ever declare bankruptcy”? Has Len ever given up on anything? I’m sure WHOM is just taking a break while efforts are focused in Liberia. We will get back to the ministry after a short commercial break.
Many of the people who invested did so on Len’s personality. Bigger-than-life, can-never-fail. Of the meetings I have been at and the conversations I was a part of, I don’t think I ever recall Len ever telling a lie about Liberty and the projects it was involved in.
OK… now the shouting match begins. Let me just back that statement up with a few short words.
Like a good salesman he would lead the conversation into a direction where questions didn’t get asked.
When asked a direct question the answer was usually posed as a “if” answer… “If the price of gold continues to rise”… “If our early samples are any indication”… “If (truthful statement) then (speculated positive outcome)”
I saw several people with serious doubts think that they got answers to their questions when I knew no real answer was given. People take a forward looking statement and hear facts almost every day.
You may have several examples to back your side of the story. I just hope you understand that your side is only one side of the story. Please accept that my one side of the story is also only one side. But for my side I didn’t hear any outright lies or see any criminal intentions.
You said you wanted “lively” debate?
Not disclosing certain vital facts is the same as lying. I would not have invested had I known about his salary, his shares, how he acquired them, and that he is the majority shareholder and that he won’t give any of them up. Even if he didn’t lie directly at shareholder meetings, doesn’t mean he didn’t lie in private conversations on his cell phone or in person one on one.
We could argue about what vital facts needed to be disclosed and if it was lying or just not offering up information. I never expect a salesman to give up certain details to every prospective investor. But to a serious investor with honest concerns… answers flow like wine. Wine is also good for getting more answers for your questions.
Salary, share structure, how and when the founders shares came into play, who was majority shareholder… these questions were easy to get answered, if the questions were asked. We all can testify that Len is a talker. Just get him talking about his favorite topics and listen carefully.
I wasn’t talking about shareholder meetings. I was talking about personal one-on-one communications. I wasn’t on the phone with every investor (just overheard a few of those calls)… but I can’t remember an outright lie.
I did say that my side of the story was only one side. So what lies did you get told, if any? What assumptions did you make that turned out incorrect? What questions did you wish you had asked? (Open questions to everyone. Not trying to “pick on” anyone.)
I do like a ‘lively debate’..Here are some more tidbits..or timbits..
I was told by Len that he did not receive any salary since late 2008. This is not true, I know for a fact he took funds from shareholder subscriptions in 2009 before the BCSC cease trade order in September 2009. I was also told by Len he was not able to update shareholders after the BCSC cease trade order because the securities commission forbids it. This is a lie, there is no such regulation, and furthermore the BCSC encourages companies to disclose information even with a cease trade order. As for misleading information, there were also many references to Liberty going public. Len’s favorite line was we are going to list this on ‘the big board’ soon. Fact is Liberty was far from ever going public. And there were references to Liberty share price going to $10 once ‘we start hitting gold’. I do know of one investor who was told by Len he was doing her a favor by letting her subscribe to shares because Liberty was closing the private share offering and going public soon.
I would like to see the Liberty accounting and bank records opened up for scrutiny – wonder if that will ever happen….
I’ve been giving this blog a chance for others to speak up…
I don’t know about Len’s salary but it is very easy to see how that doesn’t need to be a problem at all. Salary is only one way to get money out of a business. He may have taken a directors loan, expense claims, cash advances on salary (not the same as a salary but close)… the list goes on and on.
And Len may not have been “able” to update shareholders… he may have been given legal advise not to based on the BCSC cease trade order. Or there wasn’t enough funds to hold a big grandstand event… so not “able to inform the shareholders in true Liberty fashion” might be a more accurate translation.
I don’t think that any statement of Liberty going public was ever misleading. The efforts of that office were directed very heavily toward that end. Len had his sights set on the “big board” for a very long time… after Canlib but not long into Liberty. And as for the price of $10… as Liberty was setting the prices for it’s shares to whatever it wanted… it could set the price to $10 tomorrow. But no shareholder could sell their shares except to Liberty… who couldn’t afford to buy them back. But the price could be $10 in a heartbeat.
I think Len’s salary and total compensation WAS a problem. $198K for a salary, leased vehicle, business expenses paid for by shareholder funds. Wonder what the total bill was, a pretty good chunk of $18 million. Of course one cannot forget his taking an extra $28K for field work on a BC exploration program. I dont know of too many guys taking that kind of compensation for a grasssroots exploration company. However since Len had no one to answer to, he could do as he please.
Len is able to update shareholders, just doesnt care to as of course there has been no positive news in 2 years. Nice way to run a company, lets keep the shareholders in the dark. As for making statements of going public, he did in fact tell shareholders the co. was going straight to the ‘big board’
Its been approx 9 months since he has been in Liberia, still waiting for the appeals court judgement on whether or not Liberty gets the licenses back. I think the Liberian officials can afford to drag their heels given Len’s track record….
That’s what I said. The entire office was very focused on getting onto the “big board”. That was the goal set by Len. But how many people set a goal only to find it is harder than they thought to get there? The “big board” requires a certain level of public reporting. That seems to be a continuing problem for Liberty.
If only there weren’t so many people willing to give up their money to unproven management… Hard times at the start might have slowed this train down long enough for some to get clear. Too bad everyone was so very willing to send in the cheques. I still prefer the Vegas. I know I’m going to loose my money… but I get a nice buffet.
The appearance of evil or half truths is still a lie, the bible says not to judge the man but you can judge the fruit of the man. Well Len has no fruit, nothing good has come of all his endeavours.
I am a investor and hate the whole thing.
If a half truth is a lie than what about a 3/4 truth? 9/10ths truth is still a lie? Then is there anyone who doesn’t constantly lie? When the wife asks “does this dress make me look fat?” who tells the 100% truth… for even silence would also not be a truth.
How would someone make visionary statements? For a visionary the potential future is taken as established fact. This is a very part of what makes them a visionary.
Hi Dave. I have tried so hard not to judge Len. It is very hard as the facts seem so obvious. But I think your theology is correct. Jesus said ,”You shall know them by their fruits.” I also don’t see any fruit whatsoever from the last 7 years of Len’s life. Maybe there is good fruit, but I just don’t see it. One of Len’s close friends, who has clearly been brainwashed by him, said to me, “Len and his family have more to loose than you will ever know.” That statement was so pathetic, because UNTIL now, the fact is, Len and his family are the only ones who have benefited from Liberty. In addition to the huge salaries, they also used shareholder money to renovate the office building, they allegedly charged the company rent on a monthly basis for it, then they sold it recently(for a large figure) and kept the cash.
To RH and LH and any other brainwashed people, please wake up. Try to see this thing objectively. Len and his family are the only ones who have benefited. Now IF Liberty suceeds, and IF the shareholders see a return on their investment, then you can talk about the fruits of Len’s life and ministry. Until then, I just don’t see it. Please don’t give or lend Len anymore money until he updates his shareholders and admits his mistakes.
It can be hard some times not to judge the man while judging the actions of the man. We all need to be discerning of the actions of a person while not condemning the person.
If we look at more than just the money side of things… and I do understand that it is hard to do… we can see that Len had a reputation as a “man of God”, “preacher”, “healer”, “writer”, “international speaker”, “TV personality”… Whatever you call his past experiences with World Harvest it was a reputation that wasn’t all bad. With the wheeling and dealings over Canlib/Liberty… begging for funding… over-the-top meetings… lack of communication these past few years… most (if not all) that reputation is gone and a worse reputation is being built.
After Liberty… who would hire members of the Liberty inner circle? If an employer were to Google their previous employers what kind of impression would they get from this blog? On that note… I hear Mike is now making a killing with ACN.
What fruit is there from Liberty over the last 7 years? One thing that Liberty has provided in bucket loads is HOPE. It looks like everyone touched by this company has had their level of hope raised greatly. Another thing is that there has been a general exposure of peoples GREED. Maybe some JEALOUSY issues also have been exposed. Hopes of buying a stock for 10 cents and selling for 10 dollars. Greed motivating some to invest more than the could afford to loose. Jealousy over the size of someone else’s paycheque.
I’m not saying these are good fruits… but they are a real result of Len’s hard efforts at Liberty.
Well this is quite a thread of discussion. All of you have made many good points.
I think I can sum it up. To me at least, three things are apparent:
1. Faith healing is real and most of its practitioners have done great things. Not everybody is sincere, and we need to use God-given discretion when assessing each.
2. We need to be careful when we bash God’s anointed workers. I’ve learned this from personal experience: watch what you say about God’s ministers engaged in active ministry, even the odd smart-aleck judgemental comments. Even though they might be flawed and make mistakes, they go through the world with God’s instructions and carrying out God’s chosen mission. Therefore He WILL defend those whom He sends on his missions into the world, so in short, watch your mouth.
3. There’s serious reason to question the legitimacy of this guy. God’s people don’t engage in fraud, although they can backslide. Legitimate or not, this guy needs to be scrutinized before ou take anything he says seriously.
Ok… so you are summing up…
1. I can agree that some things have been said about faith healing. But not many comments here are showing a strong belief that they are real and that its practitioners have done great things. Quite the contrary. So not really a sum up.
2. I can’t see your summation as being a accurate portrayal of the discussion so far. Also, I am God’s anointed worker in the world… so is Len… so are you… Didn’t Paul bash Peter for hypocrisy? Don’t we have to be prepared to speak the truth even if an “anointed” person says otherwise?
3. So… you question a healers legitimacy if there is a hint of fraud… but not by the healing of sickness or changed lives. I am one who does not believe fraud was ever intended. Poor business practices, sure but not fraud. Everyone should be scrutinized before allowing that person to hold sway over your life/finances/faith.
And so I want to say thanks for masterfully wrapping this all up and putting a nice bow on it… but as with baseball… three strikes and you’re out.
Hey, Len and Julie, go for it my brother and sister. There are three things that God says to you and all of us believers! 1: God loves you. 2: God loves you. 3: God loves you.
Yes… but often He also says 1:STOP IT. 2:TURN AROUND. 3:BE BETTER
Or, in other words… Repent.
I thought the intention of this blog was to discuss Len Lindstrom and Liberty International Minerals Corporation, not FAITH HEALING.
Who anointed Len a ‘God’s worker’? Was this self-anointed, or is there some special committee that chooses a ‘God’s worker’?
As for fraud not intended – the point is fraud has been committed. Its my understanding Len has ‘repented’ for what he has done over the past few years. So I suppose this should make the victims feel all warm and fuzzy inside because Len has ‘repented’. What a crock of crap. Len Lindstrom knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he screwed people over. And its now into its 28th month of no sound from the ‘anointed one’. He is still telling people he is barred from disclosing publicly what has gone on with Liberty over the past 2 years, which is false.
Have you read the title of this blog? If it isn’t about a faith healer then the title sure is misleading.
Anointing would be confirmed by results. I am guessing you doubt there were any results from his ministry years.
Fraud, by definition, requires intent. For fraud to be committed the intention had to be there first.
I am so glad you know EXACTLY what Len was thinking during his years with Canlib/Liberty. It is so nice that we now live in a world where proof is no longer required and where one person has the monopoly on truth. Or maybe not.
It is nice that you say Len has repented… for what I don’t know. Have the rest of the Liberty family repented as well? Investors repented of their greed? If a crime has been committed than let justice be brought. But some better proof would be needed about criminal intent. But you might want to ask a lawyer about that…
The title of the blog refers to another faith healer who is out of the faith healing business, not about faith healing activities itself.
I would challenge the results of the ministry years, however I have no interest in pre-Liberty activities, only what has transpired since 2004 when public money was being collected for the purpose of funding the Liberty venture. By the way, just what happened to the World Harvest website? Maybe Len should have healed himself – could have smacked his head and rid himself of greed.
Fraud requires intent – Ask the BC drilling company about the unpaid $300K bill and extra work Len asked them to do for free, knowing there was no money to pay them in the first place. Whether the intent was having money in the bank while work was being done, only Len can tell you that. There is also the issue of a lawsuit filed over a year ago against Len for misappropriation of funds from a corporate loan. The intended use of the funds was to secure the Liberian licenses back in 2009. The money however was used for other purposes as well and Len claims he had authorization to use the money in any way he deemed. I do know the facts of the case, and Len never had authorization for any other corporate activities except the sole purpose of paying the arrears on the Liberian licenses.
I am told Len has repented, for what I have no idea neither. Its my understanding Len realizes his actions were not all too sincere and has regrets. I suppose after saying a few hail marys, and a brief commercial message, all is ok.
Ask some shareholders what they were told by Len regarding Liberty activities prior to the past 28 months of silence. The proof of great hype, no results pretty much sums up the fiasco. I have previously mentioned the ‘big board hype’, giving shareholders the idea LIBMIN would trade on the TSX – slightly misleading given the state of LIBMIN financials and of course the 100 million+ shares Len controls. Len has lied saying he is barred from disclosing company status information. The BCSC will tell you they encourage information flow even with companies that are in cease trading status. Now that shareholders will find out shortly if there will be a LIBMIN once the Liberian supreme court rules on the lower court judgement made back in March, this blog may become history….
It is nice to hear from people who have a real passion for something.
I hope you can use this experience to learn more about yourselves and grow to greater maturity.
Measure twice… cut once. Look before you leap. A bird in the hand… we all know the advice but it takes personal experience to drive a point home.
We are all a little wiser if we can truly learn from our gains, our losses, our friends and even our enemies.
We will find out soon if LIBMIN lives, or if the share certificates can be used as toilet tissue….
When?
apparently the court hearing was earlier in the week, nothing reported in the Liberian news yet…
has anyone heard if things have improved for l ibinternational. I heard that the company was going thru another name change. does anyone know?
What is the connection withASIA MINING CONGRESS. another disgruntled share holder in the dark.
Hi Irene,..no news at the moment. Len has been silent for several weeks. To my knowledge Liberty is not going through any name changes. The Asia mining congress held in March 2009 was basically a convention involving many different mining and exploration companies and financing companies in which Len was present. News will be posted as it comes in.
Hey the LIBMIN website is back online after an absence of several weeks. That is the good news,…the bad news is,..it has not been touched in years.
Has anyone heard from Len?? I’m also a shareholder…or was a shareholder!!
Len has been silent for a long time. The BC properties are gone and the Liberian properties are still in limbo,…thus the company is on the edge of a knife and has no money at the moment. If you read all the blogs you may find some email addresses in which you can contact some informed investors.
He is in Liberia… Look up LEONARDO LINDSTROM on facebook. Quite amusing
Hi Sarah if you want you can contact funds100@hotmail.com
Thats how you should look at all investments ( if they go down the toilet ) thare gone , have a little cry & life goes on . Get bitter & angry & your just hurting yourself , so get over it!!!!!!! Quit your winning !!!!!!!
Thanks for the insight Bruce, except there has not been any sound from Lenny to Liberty shareholders in 2.5 years.
Lenny is hanging out in Liberia, guessing either waiting for a supreme court hearing, or settling the license issue out of court. Either way, the shareholders have a right to know what the status, they are the ones who pumped millions into this fiasco
Look up LEONARDO LINDSTROM on facebook. Quite amusing
Hey Bob,
The anointed one seems to be having a good ole time, at least he can afford a few bottles of wine.
Its 3 years since shareholders have heard anything….guess its better to start a recipe collection rather than update those who are paying for the cooking display…
Hi Bob,
Wondering if you could contact me on funds100@hotmail.com
Would like to put you in touch with a few shareholders with questions
thanks
Polycarp. Can you email me at yandg.1@email.com to discuss lindstrom
It is very unlikely that Len Lindstrom is “God’s right hand man”. He recently has left over $500 000 of unpaid bills all over the small town of Salmo BC. I’m not sure why this is not a criminal offence in Canada, but if there is a God, he will be punished.
He’s a crook. I guarantee you that!
for proof, talk to anyone that has worked for Liberty. Almost every contractor on the winter drilling program was not paid. The drilling company was left with a $300 000 unpaid bill. Almost every account they have is not paid. There was very little work ever done, nor did they seem interested in hiring the right people to get the job done. Dave Wallach is the BC project manager. It is clear that he has no experience, and it is unlikely that he made it to Grade 9. The only thing that Liberty International Mineral Corp. has done, is scam people.
Im in New Zealand so dont know anything about this ‘Liberty’ scam, only what you guys have put. So ….the shareholders were Christians, they were a drilling company (oil I assume) and so what happened, did they never strike oil, or did they pay their CEO’s exorbatant wages and use up all the shareholder’s money? Is that right? And was it supposed to be run by Christians?
This is just my opinion which doesnt count for much, and I dunno, maybe God has just opened our eyes to this in the last year, but there seems to be a huge amount of deception being preached through preachers. I think we really need to ‘critique’ all that we hear from their messages and see if it is in allignment with God’s word or we may be swept into this sea of deception that the enemy is obviously behind. The latest we’ve noticed is ‘Rob Bell’ and his watered down airy fairy theology. This is the emergent church stuff and is just foggy/confusing/and tolerant of the worlds ways. Thank you God that You are just and fair, if we think we GET AWAY with things, we’re deceiving ourselves. Len Lindstrom will be held accountable in a real courtroom in front of a just Judge one day so we need not concern ourselves about the ‘justice’ bit….just helping those who’ve been ripped off getting their money back, or as much of it that is left that is.
You have internet Sharon, check out the company website http://www.libmin.com. But I have to warn you, some of the info is no longer current. Most of the staff there no longer work for him. The BC properties are also all gone. Len and his family did indeed draw huge salaries,..then he repeatedly emailed the shareholders asking for more money so he could ‘advance the company further.’ It started off being interested in diamonds but turned its attention to gold since they started discovering more and more of it as the price of gold rose at the same time.
If Len was a friend of yours, then please pray for him. Try contacting him and see if he will listen to you. Try to convince him to update his shareholders. We are only a few days away from the 2 year anniversary of his silence.
To the small group of people who are still giving Len money and defending him,..WHY ARE YOU NOT TELLING HIM TO UPDATE HIS SHAREHOLDERS?!?!?!?! You pray individually and corporately, asking God for discernment, wisdom and direction. Surely by now you know that when EVERY LAST PERSON is in agreement about what needs to be done(in this case a shareholder update) then that is clearly what God is saying should be done!!
If you are not encouraging Len to listen to the 750+ and update them,..then I am tempted to say that you are no different than he. Is that the legacy you want to leave? Is that how you want to be remembered?
Well that is something we don’t have to worry about. Getting people their money back.
It was gone the day they signed the cheque.
Well said Jazz. It intrigues me that you seem to know them very well. Please continue to pray for them. However, I suspect your prayers are needed for Len,..not so much for Mike. He left the company in late 2009 when the paycheques stopped coming. Len is the one who needs to open his eyes and learn from his past mistakes.
If he would just listen to people,..like his (former) employees, then Liberty could survive. I personally believe that the best chance Liberty has for survival is for Len to step down as CEO and rather be part of a team of leaders. Liberty needs a board of directors,…people with experience and proven track records. I don’t mind if Len is on that board but a company like Liberty should not be controlled by the will of one man,..in this case an inexperienced man.
Len, what would you do to save Liberty? Would you give up control if that would save it? Or would you rather drive it into the ground before you see someone else in the drivers seat? What about the shareholders,…it was our money that made the company. Don’t our opinions count too?